DougB exposes "Champagne Rune" SS Decal Fraud and Adds a Coffin Nail to XRFacts

[Willem V]

Bob Coleman saw an authentic shampain ss helmet in 1961, that he knows for sure.
It wasn't 1960 or 1962.
Talking about being exact!
I'am collecting since the early 90's and I can't even remember when I saw my first Waffen SS Soldbuch, this most likely says enough about me and my memory.

I believe Bob Coleman,I still remember the first time i had sex with a girl. For Bob seeing the first CH decal in 1961,gave him the same remembrance as having sex for the first time.

 

[M45]

The toned ET is actually a bit darker than the sham-pain ruins. So, I could surely see where someone might confuse the two. According to what I read the sham-pain was an attempt to copy the ET pattern not create a new variant. I guess we will never know. Just flipping through those photos you can see the major inconsistency in the sham-painer's I know that was always a major concern for non-believers.

Of course it's speculation, but I think C-SS was an attempt to copy an age-toned ET-SS decal (not a brand new SS decal) but it turned into a new 'variant' that was successfully marketed as the 'NS' style decal commonly 'found' on NS and SE helmets. Non-believers were skeptical of these because they differed from ET-SS decals, but the 'suckers' fell for them because they became sold on the idea of the 'new found SS variant'.

This 'new variant' C-SS, while at first applied to helmets of all makers, had eventually found fertile ground with NS and SE helmets since these makers did not produce period SS helmets, thus there were no conflicting period SS decals on these to raise suspicions. Over time, more and more NS and SE helmets were targeted for the treatment and so evolved the 'NS SS decal' myth.

This myth grew into such fallacies as the 'vet acquired' C-SS hkp M42s found with similar construction in a tight lot# cluster with the 'NS SS decal'.

C-SS was also a 'perfect match' on late CKL helmets as it was seen as a continuation of earlier Thale SS helmet production.

 

[Hambone]

Of course it's speculation, but I think C-SS was an attempt to copy an age-toned ET-SS decal (not a brand new SS decal) but it turned into a new 'variant' that was successfully marketed as the 'NS' style decal commonly 'found' on NS and SE helmets. Non-believers were skeptical of these because they differed from ET-SS decals, but the 'suckers' fell for them because they became sold on the idea of the 'new found SS variant'.

This 'new variant' C-SS, while at first applied to helmets of all makers, had eventually found fertile ground with NS and SE helmets since these makers did not produce period SS helmets, thus there were no conflicting period SS decals on these to raise suspicions. Over time, more and more NS and SE helmets were targeted for the treatment and so evolved the 'NS SS decal' myth.

This myth grew into such fallacies as the 'vet acquired' C-SS hkp M42s found with similar construction in a tight lot# cluster with the 'NS SS decal'.

C-SS was also a 'perfect match' on late CKL helmets as it was seen as a continuation of earlier Thale SS helmet production.

I agree with this. The fraud took on a life of its own, aided and abetted by those who profited from it.

 

[GunKraut]

I believe Bob Coleman,I still remember the first time i had sex with a girl. For Bob seeing the first CH decal in 1961,gave him the same remembrance as having sex for the first time.

I wonder if Bob Coleman and his cheerleader crowd are still altar boys at the Church of Kelly.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106977

 

[Hambone]

I wonder if Bob Coleman and his cheerleader crowd are still altar boys at the Church of Kelly.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106977

Hilarious. I wonder if they've backed off the Koolaid now. IMHO, this pretty much sums up the problem and how this was perpetuated; disagreement is not tolerated in WAFworld. I bet there are more than a few guys with $7k-20k Champagne rune helmets bought in the last 10 years who wish that the opinions shut down in that thread would have been allowed and discussed:

 

[tjg79]

The reality is that it doesn't matter what anyone claims, Bob Coleman included, if they can't back it up with evidence, proof, or facts, it's just an assertion.

If they can't produce a legit Sham-Pain Rune lid, then they don't exist. Doug B has shown the entire Sham-Pain Rune lid population, many with XRFacts or SS Steel, Inc./Kelly Hicks COAs to be a hoax.

An unintended consequence of this Sham-Pain Rune lid hoax exposure is that it also exposed a number of lid guru opinions as fallible.

 

[Hambone]

Uh oh, Hicks "protectionist behavior" called out, and an interesting development could unfold at the SOS. I think M38, "Terry G" is Terry Goodapple, who was one of the guys who put together German Helmets I and German Helmets II. Will the Shampain Ruin sold to Terry G by Hicks in 1993 turn out to be an airbrushed humpjob or the Champagne rune sasquatch?

 

[M45]

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/39311-m35-dd-ss/

Would this be the TVG DD C-SS ?

Now I'm suspicious of that party colors decal as well.
EDIT: The PC shield is about 1/2 cm wider at the top than at the bottom from my zoom view.



No interesting history or long story to go with this one. Just bought it from a friend back in 1993.

It is an ET64 with batch number 4759, reinforced aluminum WZ liner band dated 1940 in size 64/56, 1940 dated rivets, dome stamp, and faint name penciled in rear skirt is Lowen with an umlaut over the "o". Chinstrap is R. Ehrhardt Poessneck 1940.

Cheers,
Terry

 

[mauser99]

this rune shield is one of the few that show a coating of lacquer . Most don't. The party shield show layers like the boarder was added later. Does look odd.
I think this one was broken down and added both were painted on.

 

[mrfarb]

Notice the swastica edges. Being a painter, I can see the edges were masked off. Black base, white appears sprayed with the masking pulled off while the white paint was pretty fresh. Red was applied last.

The SS Rune shield has the typical "damage" but note the damage at the lower shield, to hide the bad masked edge which is almost visible?

Then again, what do I know, at this moment I don't have one with a party shield, I sold off my DD Beaded Police long ago.

 

[tjg79]

It's surprising that those painted shields fooled so many for so long.

 

[nirvana]

The ss lacquer could be from a previous decal. At least one of these helmets has evidence of having the runes spray painted on top of the remains of another decal. It's probably pretty hard to find an early apple green helmet without decal remains to use as a base for one of these. Thus, the switch to M-42s later.

 

[Peter U]

It's surprising that those painted shields fooled so many for so long.

Those that spoke out against them were ridiculed and accused of being "bad for the hobby", specially by the wafperts and the waftarded, the same waftard that declare those that want to find the source of these fakes and how much K.Hicks was involved to be hobby anarchists.
The truth only became public because another internet forum was started.

 

[Hambone]

Those that spoke out against them were ridiculed and accused of being "bad for the hobby", specially by the wafperts and the waftarded, the same waftard that declare those that want to find the source of these fakes and how much K.Hicks was involved to be hobby anarchists.
The truth only became public because another internet forum was started.

Absolutely 100% agree. Peter, you and I met during the battles with the waftarded. Thankfully, we've come along since 2005 and WAF is not the only game in town. IMHO, one reason we are seeing any of this discussed is because it cannot be suppressed and not only that, the censorship and suppression will be pointed out and discussed. IMHO, below is quintessential WAF and the mentality behind the longevity of the Champagne rune. How does anyone disagree with god when Nutmeg predicts lightening bolts from the sky for the critic?

 

[Hambone]

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/39311-m35-dd-ss/

Would this be the TVG DD C-SS ?

Now I'm suspicious of that party colors decal as well.



No interesting history or long story to go with this one. Just bought it from a friend back in 1993.

It is an ET64 with batch number 4759, reinforced aluminum WZ liner band dated 1940 in size 64/56, 1940 dated rivets, dome stamp, and faint name penciled in rear skirt is Lowen with an umlaut over the "o". Chinstrap is R. Ehrhardt Poessneck 1940.

Cheers,
Terry

You can see the spray residue, and as Farb said, where paint spread beyond the stencil.

 

[nirvana]

You can see the spray residue, and as Farb said, where paint spread beyond the stencil.

Look at the top right corner as well. The black border is visibly taller than the red inside of it. Like layers of paint.

Top left corner has a spot without any red paint, like it was missed. It's not chipped, it was never there. lol.

 

[M45]

The right-side black border of the party shield looks inconsistent; wider at the top than the bottom.

 

[tjg79]

Post pics of the painted fake shields next to pics of the legit decals to emphasize the differences.

 

[M45]

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/helmet-decal-gallery/party-shield-decals-225861/

ET62 M35 Combat Police - dome stamp 1937 (LEFT)

ET M35 Combat Police (RIGHT)

TVG C-SS M35 DD SS (CENTER)

EDIT: 12-23-22

 

[M45]

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ss-helmet-forum/ss-runic-decal-reference-section-167624/

Authentic ET-SS (1)

C-SS (2)

C-SS TVG (3)

Authentic ET-SS Ken N. collection (4-5)
http://www.germanhelmetsinc.com/gallery.htm