DougB exposes "Champagne Rune" SS Decal Fraud and Adds a Coffin Nail to XRFacts

I didn't notice ScottB's attack, probably have him blocked. Anyway, he doesn't like me or Bruce which is his prerogative.
 
mrfarb said:
I didn't notice ScottB's attack, probably have him blocked. Anyway, he doesn't like me or Bruce which is his prerogative.
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I saw it. It was rather oblique and veiled. He's Willi Z's buddy now.

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sszza2 aka ScottB @ WAF SS Decal Paranoia Thread Post# 583 said:
Give me a break - “ad hominem”. It doesn’t require concordancing software to recognize the ghostwriters language in your posts. All strikes me as epic hypocrisy when attempting to sell truth and transparency. But as others have recognized it’s never really been about truth and transparency. It’s all about agenda. The real irony is that the ghostwriter, who spends countless hours casting stones, refuses to attend shows like SOS or MAX where he would have the opportunity to directly confront those he has defined as enemies of the hobby. How does a man (even a Kool-Aide drinker) reconcile all that? Well I guess it’s much safer to throw stones from behind a keyboard and even safer when you have a minion do your posting. How pathetic.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836378&page=39
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sszza2 aka ScottB @ WAF SS Decal Paranoia Thread Post# 584 said:
If past is a predictor of future – my comments above and longstanding failure to drink the Kool-Aide will likely result in a hissy fit of character assassination on another forum. My father raised me to never say something about someone I wouldn’t say to their face. That’s how I operate. I am due back from business in the Middle East just in time for SOS and will have tables. I’m in the directory. Stop by. I’d be thrilled to discuss all of the above!

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836378&page=39
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I believe sszza2 is ScottB the dick mod that got fired from GB or another GB mod disaster. I suspect the apple doesn't fall far from the tree or like father like son. What agenda? Who's drinking the Kool-Aid? ScottB makes about as much sense as Hillary. If you look at his posts on various forums, he's consistently full of it. Apparently, he doesn't like anyone who calls him out on his routine. As a mod at GB he liked transparency so much that he made posts disappear. ScottB makes Vid look good by comparison.
 
ScottB was the big protector of Kelly Hicks, XRFacts cofounder, pitchman, spokes model, and COA scam artist, on GB when XRFacts was on the rise. He's still doing it on WAF today. He abused his GB mod position to suppress, eliminate, and eradicate criticism of his fellow SS dealer Hicks. The lid collecting community would have been better served had Hicks received the critical exposure back in 2009/2010.
 
ScottB should take up any problems he has with me. His intense hatred for Mike and Bruce is without any merit that I can see, and I got earfuls of it back in the day. I don't know what he means by his refusal to "drink the Kool Aid".

As for the Hicks' COAs, IMHO, we'll know the validity of those if he honors them. That's the bottom line. Will we see that discussion at WAF? I doubt it. I think Willi Z that would deem that discussion "disgusting" and "shameful" a "hidden agenda" and "hobby anarchy" :googlie
 

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We already know that Hicks doesn't honor his COAs. Doug B indicated that Hicks refused to honor an $8k COA.
 
WAFworld Willi takes a topic and makes it waftarded, i.e., kills it. The premise of this "informative" thread is to learn the difference between a real Champagne rune and a fake one. Kind of like discussing the difference between a real unicorn and a pony with a fake horn on its head. "Zero tolerance regarding those who continue the behavior that ruined the last attempt. If nothing productive comes of this, the hobby is not well-served."

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=842946

Willi Z's new and improved Champagne rune thread without "hidden agendas" and "hobby anarchy" has taught us:
1) Those who disagree with Willi Z and WAF are bad
2) Willi Z is nice for taking control and making discussion good
3) Everyone is a victim of the Champagne rune hoax
4) Champagne runes have been around a long time
5) The SS probably didn't airbrush runes on their helmets
6) If the SS did try to airbrush runes on their helmets it would be hard (here is an example)

I note that the value of the thread is the technical information provided by Federico on how these airbrushed humpers were created. But that's an autopsy and we need to know who the murderer(s) are and who helped them. There is a seller/COA/XRFacts connection. Some of the discussion involves people who didn't read DougB's treatise on this so they post self-evident things and ask questions already answered and shown ad nauseam. The cleaned up, "hobby anarchy-free" waftarded thread is like the same "discussions" which occurred when ZAM first revealed the Champagne rune was an airbrushed humpjob in 2012: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=578059 and of course, the censored and locked cheerleading threads for XRFacts. It's the difference between having a hunting dog which actually flushes game and one which barks happily and chases its tail.

I do agree with Willi Z though on one thing, that if "nothing productive comes of this, the hobby is not well-served." Sorry Willi Z, you shut down the thread that was going to be productive, and serve the hobby. There won't be any substantive participation as who wants to be assailed by you or the waftarded? Try allowing an open and transparent discussion if you are truly interested in "serving the hobby". Our discussions and debates here involve adults wearing their big boy pants and bringing facts and sound information.
 
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It's the same story on all forums that try to control the discussion. Often times the scope of the scam is concealed. When the tip of the iceberg is exposed, it takes open uninhibited discussion to cause further disclosure and expose all the connections. When the XRFacts scam popped-up, there was just the bogus claims and the cofounders of which the lid guru Hicks was included. Little did we know at the time, 2009/2010, that C SS lids, XRF, and Kelly Hicks would be connected to this scam. Had the mods at GB and WAF allowed full unfettered discussion, we might have uncovered a lot more then and the C SS lid fiasco might have been exposed a lot earlier. Does censorship ever benefit the collecting community? If you got burned with a bogus XRFacts claim, XRFacts COA or a C SS lid, you can thank the GB mod disasters Vid & ScottB, sole source lid authenticators, high post count lid gurus, the WAFmods, and the WAFtards for enabling the scammers.
 
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When you have a few people arrogantly deciding what the rest of us should read and be able to post on a forum, you get problems as we see. The truth is the victim. Obviously, being a private forum they can do what they please largely. But we can call them out on it. Without that they would not be accountable and the truth would suffer. So would we eventually because our hobbies are related.

As seen below, some are actually adopting Farb's advice that a database is needed. Of course, when we suggest such things the waftarded scoff, just as they attacked criticisms of XRFacts (their "savior") and the Champagne rune. If they do put together a database and track these Champagne rune helmets, which is critically necessary to any worthwhile investigation and study of this fraud, that thread could amount to something beyond superficial self-evident blather for appearance purposes.
 

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Peter U said:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843688

ZAM is still alive.
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Bob Hritz is correct. Some of the others seem to treat this as a "bad stock purchase decision" instead of theft by fraud, i.e., criminal conduct. Lost in the navel gazing is the reality that ZAM was not just ignored, but attacked, insulted, and ultimately censored. Then there is the current bizarre waftarded logik that "you should not trust the opinions of others on forums." Well, as Bob H. noted, what is the purpose of a forum if you can't trust the opinions? What is the integrity of a hobby if a new guy can't trust the validity of the information from the veterans? A couple of them, one a self-described lawyer, on one hand states "don't trust anyone but your own opinion" then when the guy is asking for advise on what SS helmet he should accept as a refund for his Champagne rune fake, is told "run it by the forum members". :googlie

If they really wanted to run this thing to ground they could. We would. But IMHO the WAF lid gauleiters really don't want to run this down.
 
This is a very pragmatic and realistic thread to read.

What can one say to someone who buys something for good money in good faith and it does not turn out to be what they thought they were buying ? Instead, just money down the toilet despite the fact that they did their homework at the time and got more than one opinion before they bought.

It is like a share-market crash. However, like all market crashes those strong enough one way or the other will survive. They will live to fight another day with the passage of time. I suppose it comes down to, do you under's equal your over's overall in the collecting game ?
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Its a stock market crash? More like a Ponzi scheme...
 
nirvana said:
Its a stock market crash? More like a Ponzi scheme...
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Yet again, the reason for the term, "waftarded". Of course, some of them believe that because this is just bad decisions and market forces, just like stocks if a victim of the Great Champagne Rune Hoax holds onto his airbrushed $350 fake lid long enough it will go right back up in value to $7500 again, maybe more. I mean, if a wooden puppet with a talking cricket in a tuxedo can wish itself into becoming a human boy, then why not?
 
There were a lot of things going on in 60s and 70s Peter ;) I'm sure he means well. When I was 8 years old in the 70s I saw a UFO.
 
Hambone said:
There were a lot of things going on in 60s and 70s Peter ;) I'm sure he means well. When I was 8 years old in the 70s I saw a UFO.
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If he is truly 70 in the early sixties he would have been a young adult. I can remember seeing German helmets as a kid but, wouldn't have been able to determine a sham-pain rune from any type or even remember what it looked like. Its statements like his that will continue to keep this pot of spoiled stew stirred. :facepalm:

The newest CH rune thread is the most interesting to me. Seeing how real people "collectors" are handling their purchases from private parties many years later.
 
"I guess if the staunch opponents of the Sham-pain rune had held their ground and voiced their opinions on every helmet posted this would have ended long ago. Another reason keeping quite isn't a good idea. But, when the majority agree one has to lean. Or should they ? Again, I applaud you for coming out and I applaud the efforts of Doug and others who brought it into full light."

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843688&page=2

Nope, at WAF they would have been first ridiculed and attacked, thread locked, censored, then banned the more they "voiced their opinions" and "held their ground". That is why many of his do not care for WAF. That is why we have a pinned thread on XRFacts here, because WAF censored and banned critics of it. Everyone deep down who is not completely waftarded knows what happens when you "voice your opinion" and "hold your ground" there. Watch what happens to anyone there who tries to dig down and inquire about the "who" including Hicks.
 
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