RESEARCH PROJECT - Mod. 71 and Mod. 71/84 - Craig Brown

[Loewe]

Hey, thanks for the report!

Typically the inspection stamps related to the hardening of the receiver and the steps that detail the barreled receiver assembly and fireproofing, these are repeated on the barrel but can mean slightly different things. The stock stamps typically relate to subsequent steps in the rifles assembly and acceptance.

I will try and check Storz for any details for differences regarding the M71 series, but they are probably similar, but possibly more involved because of the nature of interchangeable parts development (more primitive in 1878 than 1884 or 1898 or 1935 etc... which translates to more hand work and checking for tolerances.)

Hi,
Here are the details of my K.Mod.71:
MAKER: Spandau
DATE OF MANUFACTURE: 1878
DATE OF ISSUE: N/A
SERIAL NUMBER: 5219 (all matching except bolt stop washer)
CALIBER: 11
UNIT STAMP: N/A
RMKS:
C/FW
Ladder rear sight missing (still searching)
Ring front sling swivel
Safety wing shows crude "F" (Feuer) in firing position and "S" in (Sicher) in safe position. Is it known where this inscription was used?

Question: I have tried to search for the meaning of the five crowned inspector markings, with no luck. I understand they are inspection markings that represent different stages of production. What production stages are they?

Regards,
Hans

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[dutch95]

Hi Loewe, my pleasure, I'm happy to find so much information on this forum.
Also appreciate the info on the inspection marks you provided me, that already really helps!

 

[mattgreen16]

For the data base-
K. mod 71
made in 1879
serial number 9484 (all matching)
unissued (no unit stamp or date of issue)
Spandau
is there any reasons why it was not issued?

 

[Loewe]

Unknown why it isn't unit marked, most so far recorded seem to be... (such a small sampling the observation is pretty meaningless)

Does yours have an issue date, another date next to the 1879? Does it have the cyphered barreled receiver (crown/F.W.)

 

[mattgreen16]

Unknown why it isn't unit marked, most so far recorded seem to be... (such a small sampling the observation is pretty meaningless)

Does yours have an issue date, another date next to the 1879? Does it have the cyphered barreled receiver (crown/F.W.)

It does not have a issue date, only a manufacture date.
It has a crown above "FW" on the receiver and has many proof marks all over all with crowns above them.

 

[Loewe]

Below are two links to a German website that may interest some here, - some that frequent this research thread.

Wolfgang has repetitively informed me that simple updating new reports is not enough (I routinely update these datasheets with new reports, generally several times a week), that I must be proactive in promoting this research... being a numbers cruncher and reader primarily, - solitary pursuits are my preferred activity - I neglect this aspect of research, but Wolfgang is certainly correct that for these research threads to be successful we must make them attract attention through promoting them.

Even a Neanderthal like myself could right clink and translate theses pages, so I am sure there are more inventive methods for high-tech collectors.

For those that do follow these research threads, it would be helpful if when you acquire a new 71, 71/84 or a variation that is covered in one of the other research topics (G88, K88, G91) that you add your data to the appropriate thread, not only does it add to the projects purpose, it brings attention to the project and might prompt further contributions. Often fellow collectors, Wolfgang especially, sends me links to auctions that I may not have noticed, egun in particular, these reports are essential for these projects to be successful. If you see a worthy rifle for sale, or own one, why not email or pm me the details so we can add its characteristics to the appropriate research thread? Given enough time and participation, these research threads can live beyond our involvement, if you are familiar with prior "research" or even Storz contributions, you can easily see the importance of these research threads for these obscure variations. While little is to be learned from G98 or 98k research threads, these subjects are rich with potential to further our understanding of them. It is almost comical the prior "research" done on these variations, in English, Storz is pretty superficial from the collectors perspective, basically some context to each variation. Trends work in addition to Storz context can make these rifles far more interesting and collectible.

Think about these research threads when you come across an example!


the Saxon border police also used modified K71, as you can see on the photo here:
http://www.kukri.de/grenze1-2.html
from:
http://www.kukri.de

 

[MichaelWC]

Here is some 1871's I own and have documented.
Gewehr 1871
1883/Amberg/4026/?
Jägerbüchse 1871
1875/ÖWG/2006/? Note(rifle has a Belgian proof mark.)
1875/ÖWG/840c/Sch.D.O.A.430 Note( Rifle belongs to a private collection in South Africa)
Kar1871
1877/Sp&Sr Suhl/1509/B.R.B.L.85.
Gewehr 71/84
1887/Spandau/2057/2.G.R.R.2.2.9.
Gewehr 71/84
1887/Spandau/5042/G.F.R.8.237

 

[Loewe]

Thanks MWC! I added the details to the study, except 1875/ÖWG/2006 as it seems to fall outside of the patterns and when I viewed your post that showed the rifle I felt the serial was probably altered by the Belgians. Either way, it deviates from the pattern that is developing and I think it may add confusion to the project.

 

[Bohunka]

My I.G. 71

Amberg 1877, s/n 6794, unit B.1.R.8.130, cypher is 'K', metal matching, but stock is numbered 88181. Also, some USPS meatwhistle cracked the buttstock into 3-pieces. Since it's not matching to the metal, I've never seen a stock for sale, so I'd like to get it fixed.

 

[Fal Grunt]

I was helping some folks out on Black Powder Mausers like 71/84 so thought I would provide a small item of Mauser history that Led to 71/84 model.

As Early as 1881 Paul had been experimenting with various magazine loaded rifles using the already known Tubular Feed system. By 1882 Paul Patented his First Tube feed Mauser designated as Model 1882 and sent samples to Spandau. Spandau then offered to run a Troop Trial with 2000 Mod, 82 rifles. The final order was for 2024 units as the 24 extra would be run through Technical tests etc. Regards, Jon



1. Image shows the Model 82 Rifle, Note the extended magazine tube at front end

2. Close up left wall of another example shows Only Brothers Mauser with No model designation as on 71/84

3. July 27 Spandau Order for 2024 rifles

4. First preliminary talks from Spandau with Letter headed doc

5. These docs were folded up in to post size envelopes and then stamped on address side and back side

6. Spandau Post marks

7. Spandau order for Spare parts

 

[Fal Grunt]

On photo of rifle I sent you will see Designation 71/84 as Lockhoven only obtained original docs on true history at later date. Here is Photo that shows Paul Mauser at the Spandau trials hand over of First 82 models. Jon

 

[Fal Grunt]

First Patents for repeater

 

[biggymu]

Here is another one Paul,
IG 71/84 Spandau 1887 s/n 8532
top of buttplate tang K.A.R. E.3.157
Pics posted elsewhere on forum about midway down

Infanterie Gewehr 71/84 Amberg 1887 23012

Picked up this Amberg 71/84 off a friend. Great example of an Amberg, honest wear and matching except for two parts, which are both probably from the same donor. I think I got photos of everything, but I’m not used to working with these.

www.k98kforum.com

Thanks, Rick

 

[M L Palmer]

Here is mine for the database:

IG71, Oberndorf, s/n 3993, Cal. 10.95, dated 1875, B. K. 120 LU 11., buttplate tang
District Command of the Württemberg Landwehr Regiment No. 120, Ludwigsburg, Rifle No. 11
Attached pictures show inspection marks.

 

[krukster86]

Not sure how helpful this will be, but here are mine.

#1 All matching, but as experts have noted, it was professionally refurbished/refinished
MODEL: I.G. Mod. 71/84 (Infantry Rifle (model)
MAKER: Amberg
DATE OF MANUFACTURE: 1887
DATE OF ISSUE: Not present?
SERIAL NUMBER: 74017
CALIBER: 10,95
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 8 rounds in the tube
UNIT STAMP: Unfortunately mine appears to be unissued? It doesn't have a unit marking, just an inspection stamp and the matching serial number.

#2 70% matching, but sporterized.
MODEL: I.G. Mod. 71/84 (Infantry Rifle (model)
MAKER: Amberg
DATE OF MANUFACTURE: 1887
DATE OF ISSUE: Not present?
SERIAL NUMBER: 73109
CALIBER: 11
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 3 rounds in the tube (cut down from original)
UNIT STAMP: B.L.R. E.1 89.

 

[Loewe]

I undated the last few posts to the appropriate threads, sorry for the delay, but in general if you have a rifle I neglected to add, pm me and I will try to address the issue,

Anyway, I have a lot more of my own observations (auctions mostly) to add, but any heads up are welcome if I take more than a week to add them.

 

[Loewe]

My I.G. 71

Amberg 1877, s/n 6794, unit B.1.R.8.130, cypher is 'K', metal matching, but stock is numbered 88181. Also, some USPS meatwhistle cracked the buttstock into 3-pieces. Since it's not matching to the metal, I've never seen a stock for sale, so I'd like to get it fixed.

A question, the stock being mismatched probably means the buttplate (and therefore unit) is not applicable to the stock, I typically include units from m/m or loose stocks in the trends as a "potential" observation, but my question is what does this buttplate have for a serial?

If you can let me know, thanks for the report!

 

[Skphill1701]

I recently acquired a couple of military rifles. These are the first ones I have ever had or tried to research. This website and feed have been very helpful. If anyone has any other resources they recommend using, I would love any input.
This is the one I have identified so far
I.G. Mod 71/84, maker Erfurt, manufacture date 1887 , no issue date, Serial number 8446, ( all numbers match), caliber 11, there is a magazine but capacity is unknown, unit stamp 23 R.1.156.
If anyone has any info to share about this rifle, I am very interested.
Thank you!

 

[kar66]

Paul there is a 1871 OWG with a H marked barrel on Gunboards now. The serial no. is 5664 P. There are a few photos of it that may tell you more.

 

[chrisftk]

Paul there is a 1871 OWG with a H marked barrel on Gunboards now. The serial no. is 5664 P. There are a few photos of it that may tell you more.

That's a nice example of an export ŒWG 71. These have German acceptance on the barreled receiver, but not the stock. Paul is still tracking them though, so thanks for the report!