Questionable Camos
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No way I'd collect German/US camo brain buckets. The term "one looker" has ruined it for me. Lots of people take "one looker" to mean unquestionable. No good in my opinion. If I ever find a WW2 German lid at a junk store/garage sale, I'll post it here first. I don't trust anyone, including any dealers in the camo realm. The term "one looker" pops up on all forums. It's almost embarrassing for the hobby
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M45
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Niblet, I think you are right to be suspicious. I see a ET Heer M40 with a reinforced aluminum band w/square chinstrap bales. If period, would have been early in M40 production, but most of those aluminum bands had round corner bales by M40 manufacture. Also, it appears as if the liner pins do not match, re: post factory replaced liner; never a good sign when contemplating a high dollar field modified helmet.
Helmet rim looks like it sat in water with much heavier corrosion to wire there.
I think you've nailed it with your analysis of a beat helmet upgraded postwar to wire camo status with a replaced liner.
Helmet rim looks like it sat in water with much heavier corrosion to wire there.
I think you've nailed it with your analysis of a beat helmet upgraded postwar to wire camo status with a replaced liner.
M45
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...848144?hash=item3d378acc10:g:bj4AAOSwhQhY5Q2j
WW2 German Helmet M40 64 Winter Kamo
The seller from whom I bought this helmet assured me that this is the original. But I do not think so.
It seems to me that this postwar repainted.
Hallmarks Q64 838* ( The last figure could not be disassembled. Probably 9)
If you need any additional photos that, write to the PM. We are pleased to answer all your questions
tem location:
Zaporozhye, default, Ukraine
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Not a bad snow camo for the price. And the best part is nobody is trying to screw you over. It is clearly being sold as a reproduction.
I think a lot of these 'kamo kollectors' should save their money and stick with these types. In the end they're getting the same thing; replicas. Why not just buy them as such instead of wasting money on forum-vetted junk ?
WW2 German Helmet M40 64 Winter Kamo
The seller from whom I bought this helmet assured me that this is the original. But I do not think so.
It seems to me that this postwar repainted.
Hallmarks Q64 838* ( The last figure could not be disassembled. Probably 9)
If you need any additional photos that, write to the PM. We are pleased to answer all your questions
tem location:
Zaporozhye, default, Ukraine
Ships to:
Worldwide
Starting bid:
US $1.00
Not a bad snow camo for the price. And the best part is nobody is trying to screw you over. It is clearly being sold as a reproduction.
I think a lot of these 'kamo kollectors' should save their money and stick with these types. In the end they're getting the same thing; replicas. Why not just buy them as such instead of wasting money on forum-vetted junk ?
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Facebook Camo of the day
This one is so funny I about spit my coffee out looking at it,,and there are plenty of guys saying "nice one"
"great helmet etc",,,,,wow
This one is so funny I about spit my coffee out looking at it,,and there are plenty of guys saying "nice one"
"great helmet etc",,,,,wow
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Unless there was another type of Camo Helmet even I can tell the one Niblet posted directly above looks like none of the others.
I also agree with M45 if I were to buy a Camo Helmet it would be like the one on eBay. Heck if it stays near it's current price I may buy it
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I also agree with M45 if I were to buy a Camo Helmet it would be like the one on eBay. Heck if it stays near it's current price I may buy it
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Not saying it's real but just because YOU haven't seen a similar one means nothing.
I've curiously been following this thread for about 2-3 months and there are plenty of opinions but not a lot of definitive analysis,except on the obvious low grade attempts.
I would like to see a critical analysis on the above camo because I can't tell if it's real or not from those pics.
Picture are VERY subjective.Light boxes and camera light and the availability of terrific cameras don't always do the helmet justice.
It creates a (artificialness) because the light is artificial.I am as guilty as anyone else of this.
This is why I suggest a combination of natural light outdoor pictures for analysis and then some "light box" pictures for "Beauty"shots.Which I enjoy looking at but aren't always good for analysis.
I've curiously been following this thread for about 2-3 months and there are plenty of opinions but not a lot of definitive analysis,except on the obvious low grade attempts.
I would like to see a critical analysis on the above camo because I can't tell if it's real or not from those pics.
Picture are VERY subjective.Light boxes and camera light and the availability of terrific cameras don't always do the helmet justice.
It creates a (artificialness) because the light is artificial.I am as guilty as anyone else of this.
This is why I suggest a combination of natural light outdoor pictures for analysis and then some "light box" pictures for "Beauty"shots.Which I enjoy looking at but aren't always good for analysis.
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No my opinion means nothing outside this thread. It is only based on what I have seen here. I thought I was clear about that. I don't collect Camo helmets. I don't collect helmets period. I'm smart enough not to start either. I know nothing about them and I would much rather spend $4k on a 1941 Johnson. Seems to me some guys are upset by this thread because it is bringing out the truth and in turn devaluing their collection.
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Where were you clear about that?
No,people are upset because a FEW people are trashing or casting doubt on many,many camos that they can't definitively prove with the shallowest of "analysis."
Also not trying to be a dick but if you don't collect them,admit this then why are you even commenting?
"I'm smart enough not to start either." Shows a inherent bias to begin with.
Firearms are no sure thing either without experience,
My first sentence. I guess for some it wasn't clear.
You have a guy who makes Reproduction, who knows the techniques, casting doubt. I would say that makes him an expert.
Smart enough not too was followed by because I know nothing about them. Also because of all the doubt surrounding them. One day though because of threads like this, maybe I would collect them, once the hobby is cleaned up of course. Which I believe is the real point of this thread.
I comment because I can.
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Sure,you can comment because you can.......doesn't mean you should.
How would you feel if a thread was started on GHW or wherever"Questionable firearms" and just about every picture you could get your hands on was called"questionable" or "fake" by someone who makes reproductions.
That last Camo posted proves everything about why this thread is "questionable" at best.
No way in hell you can tell if that Camo is fake by those pics.
And I don't know the guy selling it nor care if it's real or not. Just a informed,HONEST opinion.
No need to get snarky.
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People here seem to think this is a great thread because every Camo isn't called a " one looker" or "given the thumbs up."
Yes dissenting opinions are great when based in sound logic.
Guess what? Plenty of camos are called out on WAF and GHW.
Did anyone here ever think a lot aren't called bad because most on GHW are pretty good at finding legit camos?
Yes no one is right all the time including big time collectors,dealers and myself.
If you just read this thread and nothing else you would think most collections are fake.
Yes dissenting opinions are great when based in sound logic.
Guess what? Plenty of camos are called out on WAF and GHW.
Did anyone here ever think a lot aren't called bad because most on GHW are pretty good at finding legit camos?
Yes no one is right all the time including big time collectors,dealers and myself.
If you just read this thread and nothing else you would think most collections are fake.
Who is the guy making fakes here commenting that knows the techniques,etc?
You know how we put this to rest.
1. Have this person post some of his reproductions with some real ones(if he has any).
2. Invite members to differentiate them.
I guarantee you myself and many others would pass with 100%.
You know how we put this to rest.
1. Have this person post some of his reproductions with some real ones(if he has any).
2. Invite members to differentiate them.
I guarantee you myself and many others would pass with 100%.
IMO this "sinister" network of collectors that call everything good is nothing more than ..
1. Just being wrong
2. People not being as critical because of WHO posts a Camo.( human nature) not nefarious IMO.
3. Yes a small percentage of guys actively colluding to deceive.
1. Just being wrong
2. People not being as critical because of WHO posts a Camo.( human nature) not nefarious IMO.
3. Yes a small percentage of guys actively colluding to deceive.
Niblet
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I agree completely,,some of the biggest naysayers are the ones who have extensive camo collections or have alot of money wrapped up
in what is most probably rubbish,,,same with badges of any sort,,, like the double marked Assman paratroop badge,,in 2005 a noted collector who has since recently passed,
wrote a detailed article in a magazine regarding these and on WAF someone quoted him and you should have seen the fur fly by the heavy hitters!!
why??? because they have them in their collection! so they cannot possibly be post war!
We have a entire forum dedicated to this purpose.
http://ww2weaponsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?22-Auctions
By all means, go for it. Strong hobbies can take criticism and keep going. Its the job of the owner and of the item to prove that the item is real, not the other way around. Its fake until proven real, this goes for all things worth money. If someone spots a good fake, or what they think is a fake, bring it on.
The Gunboards forum is facing this issue right now, people are getting in trouble for calling out suspicious rifles. Some topics appear to be forbidden, from what I've noticed and heard, and that's hurting the hobby. If its worth money, it will be faked, and sticking one's head in the sand does nothing.
Now,a common sense post.I agree.
I've only been collecting seriously about 12 years.Been circling on the outside studying and soaking up knowledge on various forums.
You just made me look at this from a different perspective.Thank you for that,seriously.
A Old Gaurd - New Gaurd situation is going on.
NOT EXCLUSIVELY because it's silly to deal in absolutes.
1. The Old Gaurd laid the foundation for what we know now and are still redefining,tweaking,etc. onminthly basis.
2. We know live in a "information at our fingertips" world the Old Guard didn't have that we now do that allows MILLIONS of people's input,personal experience,tips,etc.
3. Some of the Old Guard now realize with the advancement of the hobby and the World Wide Web some of their expensive stuff now is either very questionable or out right bad.
Us "New Gaurd not only have the foundation they laid but gave ALWAYS gad access to a wealth of info. they didn't gave the opportunity to use.
