Questionable Camos

[Hambone]

How about this one? Owner calls it a one looker. I call it a one looker dud.

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52527-one-look-wire-m35-dd-lw-2-tone-camo/

I agree. That wire has been chemically aged to do that. Salt water and exposure will do it. The white oxidation seen on the wire is the equivalent of brand new rust. This is an improperly executed wire job. A properly done one is practically indistinguishable from an original. Paint doesn't look right either.

 

[Hambone]

How about this one? Owner calls it a one looker. I call it a one looker dud.

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52527-one-look-wire-m35-dd-lw-2-tone-camo/

I agree. IMHO, that wire has been chemically aged to do that. Salt water and exposure will do it. The white oxidation seen on the wire is the equivalent of brand new rust. This is an improperly executed wire job. A properly done one is practically indistinguishable from an original. Paint doesn't look right either.

 

[M45]

Wire/painted camo

How about this one? Owner calls it a one looker. I call it a one looker dud.

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52527-one-look-wire-m35-dd-lw-2-tone-camo/

Wire/painted camo.



-Good evening,

It has been a long time since my last share. Sorry for that, had its reasons.

I recently received this helmet that came straight out of the wood works and was not in collectors hands.

For me, and I'm positive you'll agree, a one look wire.

It started life as a M35 DD Luftwaffe helmet and probably went to afrika or took place in the italian campaign.

It shows a tan with green over-spray. The green is not that screamy, but it is definitely a two tone

The wire has been period applied and shows clear signs of wear and reacting with the paint.

Photos aren't great, sorry

Hope you all enjoy ! :icon14:



-niels, nice Original wire helmet. good interaction between wire and shell. you can clearly see the ghosting on the last pictues. also the paint is blattering at some points because of this interaction as you want to see. oxidation is also present. the name is a bonus. this one have seen some action for sure. wires are difficult but this one has everything i want to see. nice catch buddy :icon14:



-Never saw a galvanized wire leaving white traces like that! It even makes the helmet rust in some area's First thing that jumped in my mind was chemically aged!!

Not one I would pursue!!

Don't care much about the camo either!! Just look at the top wear, wear on air vents, etc!! I see a ruined salty DD Luft!

Sorry Niels but that's my 2 cents on this helmet

 

[acer]

This thread is starting to get funny, lol !!!! , M45, your simplicity has not limits

 

[M45]

The thread is showing that not everyone on GHW2 is snake-fascinated with questionable camos. There may yet be hope.

 

[Peiper]

We are several who are skeptical to the sheer volume of exotic camo helmets. For my part, I will stick to my three camo helmets sourced in Norway and focus on factory issue helmets. My appetite for german camo helmets has vaporized after realizing the full extent of fraud in the german helmet collecting hobby which has been exposed in the wake of the Shampain Ruin scandal. Big players involved, and to me there is a high probability of similar scams in camo helmet collecting.

 

[M45]

M40 hkp64 luftwaffe normandy camo sd

http://helmetsofwar.com/2016/06/m40-se64-luftwaffe-camo-sd/

M40 HKP64 LUFTWAFFE NORMANDY CAMO SD

With the advent of the internet we are starting to see more and more camouflage painted helmets popping up as more and more private owners start realizing that these rusty buckets are actually worth something. Here is a great example of a late war painted camo painted helmet with what appears to be first a spray gun based of dark yellow tan followed by crude brush strokes in a reddish brown and dark green for added concealment. The soldier was careful to paint around the Luftwaffe decal which is a dot less textbook SE/HKP version. Fortunately the liner is named (Unteroffizier Wolf “subordinate officer”) and has taken on a darkened brown appearance as is typical of liners made before 1942 when they were using vegetable tannins to preserve the leather (goat, sheepskin, cowhide). Overall this helmet has a great look and feel to it and only some minor surface rust. Sadly it was not purchased with it’s original chinstrap. Very reasonably priced for a LW SD camouflage helmet which typically sell for about 30-40% less than a similar Heer SD camo.

$1850

 

[M45]

Rare bright & vivid camo

http://helmetsofwar.com/2014/12/rare-bright-vivid-camo-m40-se64-complete-1941-chinstrap/

RARE BRIGHT & VIVID CAMO M40 SE64 COMPLETE WITH 1941 CHINSTRAP

Well they really don’t come much nicer than this one in terms of a wonderfully vivid all original Normandy camo helmet. Most camo helmets tend to darken and fade over time while others like this one are better at retaining their original colors. It must have something to do with the paint used as I’ve noticed that typically Luftwaffe helmets are more vivid or colorful than regular Heer camouflaged painted helmets suggesting that the two branches of services didn’t have access to the same paints. Also it should be noted that your typical Luftwaffe solider had a lot more base time on his hands than your front line Heer infanteer and so the color schemes and patterns tend to be more elaborate with Luftwaffe helmets. The helmet is an M40 SE64 and rear marked 8204 suggesting a production date of around 1941 which matches up perfectly to the chinstrap markings which are clearly stamped with that same year. The strap has been placed over top of the front rim a long time ago as you can make out dust lines along the edge and so it must have been placed there many years ago indeed and I would rather not try to move it.

The colors are light yellow green base coat followed by darker greens and an orangey red and are spray gun applied which again is typical of Luftwaffe since they had access to large pneumatic equipment meant for painting of vehicles. The liner is complete with it’s original drawstring and fortunately the original chinstrap is complete and hasn’t been shortened. Try as I might I cannot make out the outline of a LW eagle beneath the paint as it is rather thickly applied in that general area but must be there as you can clearly make out the smooth blue gray SE finish typical of Luftwaffe helmets in exposed areas so we know that this definitely left the factory as a single decal LW. Also I should note that there is a faint abbreviated signature in German on the liner which I tried my best to take a close up of. A great find and I can tell you that the more you look at it the more it tends to grow on you especially when you have the luxury of holding it in hand.

SOLD – $3450

 

[mauser99]

http://helmetsofwar.com/2016/06/m40-se64-luftwaffe-camo-sd/

M40 HKP64 LUFTWAFFE NORMANDY CAMO SD

With the advent of the internet we are starting to see more and more camouflage painted helmets popping up as more and more private owners start realizing that these rusty buckets are actually worth something. Here is a great example of a late war painted camo painted helmet with what appears to be first a spray gun based of dark yellow tan followed by crude brush strokes in a reddish brown and dark green for added concealment. The soldier was careful to paint around the Luftwaffe decal which is a dot less textbook SE/HKP version. Fortunately the liner is named (Unteroffizier Wolf “subordinate officer”) and has taken on a darkened brown appearance as is typical of liners made before 1942 when they were using vegetable tannins to preserve the leather (goat, sheepskin, cowhide). Overall this helmet has a great look and feel to it and only some minor surface rust. Sadly it was not purchased with it’s original chinstrap. Very reasonably priced for a LW SD camouflage helmet which typically sell for about 30-40% less than a similar Heer SD camo.

$1850

Helmets of war is a turd fest and they manufacture reproduction and restored helmets I think ? This one the bird is bad so it stops there. Not chance on the paint either.. Not questionable IMHO.

 

[M45]

German Normandy Camo helmet

Very Nice Named German Normandy Camo helmet - untouched all original

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Nice-N...254921?hash=item51e92aeac9:g:5SAAAOSw3YNXZm5T

US $1,895.00


Call me crazy, but I like this one. Notice the paint shadow on the rivet, a nice touch and indicates a more hurried spray job instead of the fine attention to detail many questionable camos have.

 

[Hambone]

Very Nice Named German Normandy Camo helmet - untouched all original

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Nice-N...254921?hash=item51e92aeac9:g:5SAAAOSw3YNXZm5T

US $1,895.00

Call me crazy, but I like this one. Notice the paint shadow on the rivet, a nice touch and indicates a more hurried spray job instead of the fine attention to detail many questionable camos have.

I like it as well Crazy.

 

[Frank F.]

I like it as well Crazy.

Call me crazy, because I just bought this thing. Couldn't see anything wrong either and I guess sometimes you just have to roll the dice...

F.

 

[Hambone]

Call me crazy, because I just bought this thing. Couldn't see anything wrong either and I guess sometimes you just have to roll the dice...

F.

Congrats Frank. I think it will present even better when you have it in hand and different lighting.

 

[mauser99]

Call me crazy, because I just bought this thing. Couldn't see anything wrong either and I guess sometimes you just have to roll the dice...

F.

I liked it as well and you banged the buy it now. I low balled and got counter offered @ 1550.00 but, had already shut the computer off before I saw it.

This guy is a GHW member and I saw it was posted there @ one point. Nice camo.

 

[M45]

Good job, Frank. A great investment. Now that is a helmet worth the money and even a bit below the 2K base being asked for the average questionable camo.

This thread is starting to get funny, lol !!!! , M45, your simplicity has not limits

Concerning the 'bang-on' wire camo recently posted here and on GHW2:

"Just been viewing this helmet on the k98k forum. The senior member, M45 (Brian Ice) and many of his 'buddies', some of whom are members here, seems to take great pleasure in passing what is posted here and analyzing it over there...What is that all about? Why don't they post and discuss it here?...you know who you are." - Munich17

Munich17, I do take pleasure in examining questionable camos, whether from GHW2 or elsewhere - nothing personal you understand. I do it that way because my GHW account has long been locked (by DougB I assume for disagreeing with him about the sham-pain ruins). I speak for myself and not for those with 'dual membership'.

"M45 seems to have a big chip on his shoulder and puts this forum down at every opportunity, he copies, posts then ridicules comments and opinions quoted from GHW2...." Munich17

"More than this, looks like there is an attempt to "ruin" the image of GHW and its reputation?!..." Andrea - Global Moderator


I suppose you could call it "free speech". I do not agree with the glowing reports about many questionable camos and feel that I should speak my mind for the sake of the collecting community. Of course, over here I am not bound by those issues that may influence GHW2 members such as peer pressure, important friends that may be owners of the helmet in question, etc...

If the helmet collecting hobby is to be improved (and I think most of us will agree that it needs improving) then we must hold ourselves accountable.

 

[nirvana]

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873225

FROM A WW2 VET ESTATE...ANY THOUGHTS..YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE HAS YELLOWED SIGNIFICANTLY...


A winter camo posted on WAF. They caught this one, somewhat surprising considering the others that are getting through there and elsewhere.

Very well distributed wear, crown wear a bit more. It looks like chemical treatment of some type. The scratches do not help. Another original SD M42 destroyed.

Pictures of this one have been deleted. Glad that they were backed up here.

 

[acer]

Good job, Frank. A great investment. Now that is a helmet worth the money and even a bit below the 2K base being asked for the average questionable camo.





Concerning the 'bang-on' wire camo recently posted here and on GHW2:

"Just been viewing this helmet on the k98k forum. The senior member, M45 (Brian Ice) and many of his 'buddies', some of whom are members here, seems to take great pleasure in passing what is posted here and analyzing it over there...What is that all about? Why don't they post and discuss it here?...you know who you are." - Munich17

Munich17, I do take pleasure in examining questionable camos, whether from GHW2 or elsewhere - nothing personal you understand. I do it that way because my GHW account has long been locked (by DougB I assume for disagreeing with him about the sham-pain ruins). I speak for myself and not for those with 'dual membership'.

"M45 seems to have a big chip on his shoulder and puts this forum down at every opportunity, he copies, posts then ridicules comments and opinions quoted from GHW2...." Munich17

"More than this, looks like there is an attempt to "ruin" the image of GHW and its reputation?!..." Andrea - Global Moderator


I suppose you could call it "free speech". I do not agree with the glowing reports about many questionable camos and feel that I should speak my mind for the sake of the collecting community. Of course, over here I am not bound by those issues that may influence GHW2 members such as peer pressure, important friends that may be owners of the helmet in question, etc...

If the helmet collecting hobby is to be improved (and I think most of us will agree that it needs improving) then we must hold ourselves accountable.

I think your best imput to the collecting world is the "copy and paste", you are a parasit in this hobby and as i told you, you may wonder why you were banned from 3 forums and your book will be interesting in the winter to put the chimney working.

Thanks for copying and pasting even my image, you are a guru in the internet world

You are really my heroe

P.S. As you can see, i say "hello" to all this forum members, except one, can you guess who?

Please, get a life or search for a girlfriend

 

[NathanLM]

Hurt feelings ^^

 

[nirvana]

I think your best imput to the collecting world is the "copy and paste", you are a parasit in this hobby and as i told you, you may wonder why you were banned from 3 forums and your book will be interesting in the winter to put the chimney working.

Thanks for copying and pasting even my image, you are a guru in the internet world

You are really my heroe

P.S. As you can see, i say "hello" to all this forum members, except one, can you guess who?

Please, get a life or search for a girlfriend

Acer,
I have a serious question, not trying to start anything. Is there a specific helmet that you believe is real, that M45 believes to be fake? The purpose of this thread is discuss helmets, not to attack individuals. We know that you don't like M45, you've made a dozen posts saying that. Is there a helmet that you wish to discuss, or is your only purpose here to talk about your disagreements with another member??
Nirvana

 

[tjg79]

Acer,
I have a serious question, not trying to start anything. Is there a specific helmet that you believe is real, that M45 believes to be fake? The purpose of this thread is discuss helmets, not to attack individuals. We know that you don't like M45, you've made a dozen posts saying that. Is there a helmet that you wish to discuss, or is your only purpose here to talk about your disagreements with another member??
Nirvana

Acer's credibility diminishes when he starts attacking M45 for being critical of his lids rather than defending his lids with facts and evidence. If you can't defend your lid, attack the critics.