Questionable Camos

Italianwarfront

Hi Brian,

The last helmet you posted is an obvious fake, to the level of being ridiculous. This helmet is a classic "exotic freshie" which has it all it seems. Named to an "officer" (which it is not), show some of the decal through the camo paint and wait, even traces where a RUBBERBAND has once been! What a marvelous fake!! :facepalm:

i have noticed that the coolest soldier rank on german helmets seems to be Unteroffizier (basicly junior sergeant). Very many of these "camo helmets" have the rank "Uffz" before a credible german name. Coincidense...I think not.

The dealer Italianwarfront previously sold helmets that are questionable and most likely fake camo helmets. There are a number of his helmets in this very thread being questioned for originality. The number of questionable helmets he has sold and are selling on his site might indicate that he has a supply from someone who is "upgrading" original helmets with fake camo. Wonder who that is? Could it be Eric Dolin, or is this someone else?

There are probably now more fake camos around humped by adding the camo to low grade originals than there are actual original camohelmets on the market now in the US. It is just sad.
 
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Be careful buying a camo helmet from Georgio. I personally have seen him buy bad camo helmets years ago at a MAX show from Jerry Bell. Super bad white camos. Georgio sold them as original. And what's up with all the medic helmets he has been so called sourcing?
 
What is your opinion on these 2 similar camos? I saw them at the SOS 2 or 3 years ago. They scared the heck out of me because they are TOO similar. Notice the the brush strokes circled in white. They were priced within reach as a pair but I passed because they were nearly identical down to the exact same brush strokes in the exact same area. I can overlook certain similarities but these 2 were scary. Let me put it this way, "A fakers signature?" I don't know?

Only photo I have to display as it's the only one I kept from a collector forum. A well known dealer bought them.
 

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Spoof said:
Be careful buying a camo helmet from Georgio. I personally have seen him buy bad camo helmets years ago at a MAX show from Jerry Bell. Super bad white camos. Georgio sold them as original. And what's up with all the medic helmets he has been so called sourcing?
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Sound advise indeed. Such information does validate that Giorgio has sold questionable camo helmets. Thank you for sharing.

Regards,
Rune
 
M45 said:
On GHW-2.

Absolutely horrid. Does not even fit a WWII German military theme. Looks like it was done by playground children using their paint sets.
The damaged liner made it a good choice for 'restoration'.
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The liner was actually damaged by the previous owners wife. She put it on her head.
 
Thoughts on this Camo M42 LW

Just thought to bring this Camo up for discussion here, as it gives unbiased evaluation.

EF
 

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I personally like the last one posted :thumbsup:

The one shown from IWF however... my assessment of them as a place to buy good original helmets (should I want to) has just taken a tumble... wow :googlie
 
Eurofighter said:
http://www.ghw2.com/topic/50138-m42-lw-textured-camo-et62/

Just thought to bring this Camo up for discussion here, as it gives unbiased evaluation.

EF
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I agree with M99. Warning flags to me on this helmet, and any others:

- Wear which looks contemporaneously occurring or done.
An original helmet in the field, then camo'd, then used for a year or even months, and then which sits for 70+ years is going to show the gradual and random knocks, dings, wear and use of its original factory paint, then the same for the camo paint. When you see knocks and dings over the whole of the helmet which looks like it was done all at once, it likely was.

- Non-standard (i.e., non-RAL / RLM issue colors)
Camo paint was a paste or powder form, prescribed colors with prescribed, by order, patterns as well (for AFVs and equipment). The same paints were used on helmets. When you have colors deviating greatly from known issue patterns and colors, that's a problem.
 
another...

Live auction - delete as needed..

Modedit: we do have a live auction rule ebeeby. If you want to post up the pics for discussion that's fine.
 
- Non-standard (i.e., non-RAL / RLM issue colors)
Camo paint was a paste or powder form, prescribed colors with prescribed, by order, patterns as well (for AFVs and equipment). The same paints were used on helmets. When you have colors deviating greatly from known issue patterns and colors, that's a problem.[/QUOTE]

I would strongly disagree with this statement. There are many good non issue color helmets . In many cases locally procured paints were used . Although the standard colors were used alot there are plenty of nice vet bought non standards. DAK helmets can range from pinkish tan to canary bird yellow depending on the unit and location, etc. Once you box yourself in that anything that is not an issue color has a problem you'll be missing some nice items and even worse condeming good helmets.
 
vonrall said:
- Non-standard (i.e., non-RAL / RLM issue colors)
Camo paint was a paste or powder form, prescribed colors with prescribed, by order, patterns as well (for AFVs and equipment). The same paints were used on helmets. When you have colors deviating greatly from known issue patterns and colors, that's a problem.

I would strongly disagree with this statement. There are many good non issue color helmets . In many cases locally procured paints were used . Although the standard colors were used alot there are plenty of nice vet bought non standards. DAK helmets can range from pinkish tan to canary bird yellow depending on the unit and location, etc. Once you box yourself in that anything that is not an issue color has a problem you'll be missing some nice items and even worse condeming good helmets.
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I would strongly disagree with your opinion as anything but describing the rare exception. With due respect, your analysis is more oft heard in excuses for a suspect helmet. There are a narrow range of known original "tropical" painted helmets and they are far more consistent than not. There were no Sherwin Williams on WW2 AOs and German soldiers were not allowed nor encouraged to demonstrate their individual artistic talent on their issued helmets.

Are there some unusual, atypical camo painted helmets? I am sure there are some, but they are overwhelmed by the number of "exotic freshie" (waftard term) humpjobs, or my personal favorite waftard term for an "exotic" trying to be excused as original, the "flying circus team colors" camo.

In short, you may get lucky and end up with an original "exotic" camo adhering to your opinion. But the odds are exponentially higher that you will end up with a humped up piece of fraudster "art".
 
Champaign decals were also nice non standard objects and I'am glad I missed out on those......
 
No one of my camos posted here, so not sure if its a good or bad news, no such important collection of just a good product collector :facepalm:
 
Standard (RAL / RLM issue colours).

Is there a reference source where one can learn more about these standard colours? Book, website etc.

EF
 
Hambone said:
I would strongly disagree with your opinion as anything but describing the rare exception. With due respect, your analysis is more oft heard in excuses for a suspect helmet. There are a narrow range of known original "tropical" painted helmets and they are far more consistent than not. There were no Sherwin Williams on WW2 AOs and German soldiers were not allowed nor encouraged to demonstrate their individual artistic talent on their issued helmets.

Are there some unusual, atypical camo painted helmets? I am sure there are some, but they are overwhelmed by the number of "exotic freshie" (waftard term) humpjobs, or my personal favorite waftard term for an "exotic" trying to be excused as original, the "flying circus team colors" camo.

In short, you may get lucky and end up with an original "exotic" camo adhering to your opinion. But the odds are exponentially higher that you will end up with a humped up piece of fraudster "art".
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While there are plenty of fakes there are a large number of non standard paint jobs as well. I'm not going to get into a pointless argument about it but it's dangerous to start drawing conclusions that everything has to be one way. There are a number of photos of Germans with polka designs on on helmets , did they not know they were not allowed to do that? Anyhow I'm mostly a reader and rarely post . I've made my point, that's it. I don't like the name calling or insulting other groups BTW which is another reason I don't post. Very childish.
 
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While there are plenty of fakes there are a large number of non standard paint jobs as well. I'm not going to get into a pointless argument about it but it's dangerous to start drawing conclusions that everything has to be one way. There are a number of photos of Germans with polka designs on on helmets , did they not know they were not allowed to do that? Anyhow I'm mostly a reader and rarely post . I've made my point, that's it. I don't like the name calling or insulting other groups BTW which is another reason I don't post. Very childish.
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Not arguing and nothing about this is pointless to me. I agree with you to an extent, but a limited one. I own a number of "non-standard" patterns, but all of them have a degree of color and paint consistency. I've got the with "dots" and daubing and smearing with a cloth or brush strokes or sprayed or both. Again, there are consistencies in the paint.
 
Hambone said:
Not arguing and nothing about this is pointless to me. I agree with you to an extent, but a limited one. I own a number of "non-standard" patterns, but all of them have a degree of color and paint consistency. I've got the with "dots" and daubing and smearing with a cloth or brush strokes or sprayed or both. Again, there are consistencies in the paint.
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That's most likely because those are the ones you were most comfortable to purchase colorwise is it not?
 
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