DougB exposes "Champagne Rune" SS Decal Fraud and Adds a Coffin Nail to XRFacts
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Ah, best not to cure syphilis because heck, everyone is having so much with the prostitutes and the pimps are making money and it's just fun spreading it around and gee, telling me I have syphilis makes me butthurt and that's not fun. The more people involved spreading syphilis means more fun and more money for the hookers and pimps and partying and the only way we can attract more people to having fun is to just ignore the syphilis and I guess the guy who came up with the syphilis test who is telling everyone about it just has a revenge motive because everyone is having fun passing it around but him.
David, at this point my prediction for you is that you are going to end up like the other David here, aka Maui, the vigorous defender of the "Savior of the Hobby", XRFacts, who engaged in much of the same logically and ethically incoherent (though heavily ad hominem) tactics that you are utilizing in apparent defense of the shampain ruin and its "benefactors", their toadies and fellow traffickers. Do you honestly believe what you've posted? Because if you do, my bet is that you are the only person here who does. I would further posit that, with all due respect, advancing such silly rhetoric publicly here will result in you not being taken seriously, and then the members here will not treat you as a fellow member, but more as a delusional dunking booth insult clown. These guys here are not like your fellow travelers at WAF, etc. I mean this as helpful advise, as a forum mentor, an internets life coach, not as an insult.
NathanLM
Senior Member
I asked this EXACT same question at GHW2, as did 3 other members. The question was met with hostility and this response from an Admin, " for those of you wanting to name and shame, do your homework instead of hiding behind your pseudonyms and wanting everyone else to do the work". There are people there who have been helmet collecting for 30+ years; these people know who belongs to the "good ol' boys (GOBs)". Heck, I bet a few of them (GOBs) are lurking at GHW2 and that's why everyone has to be so hush hush. People won't dare oust them because they then lose a supplier of high-end stock. Those who are "in the know" are happy to maintain the status quo; i.e., sucking up the good stuff while the GOBs peddle their trash to new collectors. I haven't been burnt, so I feel I can speak objectively and dispassionately.
This. And running interference for humpers and hucksters is the worst that can be done, besides doing the actual faking and trafficking.
By the way, I fail to see how "motives" are important to exposing fraud and humpers. Does it make fraud any less fraudulent and a humper any less of a humper? So David, things were cooler in the hobby with guys getting ripped off paying $7500+ for $300 airbrushed SS humpjobs as long as no one said anything? 
That's what I read. Anyone who would think that is either a huckster, Nazi trinket whore, or a ridiculous ethically challenged nitwit. That would be hilarious if it was not so disturbing.
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I knew there are a lot of lunatics collecting 3R militaria, but that it was as bad as this I really didn't expect.
mauser99
Senior Member
As an example as I have really only this one to use. Over the last few years on GHW there were a few camo's posted for discussion that were deemed as bad. The web site was notified and the helmets were removed from the site. Where do these helmets go ? I'm sure they aren't destroyed. I'm sure they are recycled somewhere ??? But, where ? A camo is subjective to judgment by people as they aren't a "factory" applied and strict government manufacturing and guidelines weren't used. So there is a window what's correct and incorrect out there. One mans bad is another mans good. That's where the camo debate differs from the sham-pain ruin debate. The strict decal to shell relationship was what finally took the wind out the CPR game.. I guess naming names starts with culling sites and posting links like what M45 does and has been doing.
Its not the kiss of dead for a camo job but, it the sense of fear is in the air people will be more cautious about what they buy in theory.
Hope this makes some sense...
And the statement of the world was a better place before the sham-pain ruin outing is just ridiculous. !!!!!
Its not the kiss of dead for a camo job but, it the sense of fear is in the air people will be more cautious about what they buy in theory.
Hope this makes some sense...
And the statement of the world was a better place before the sham-pain ruin outing is just ridiculous. !!!!!
tjg79
Senior Member
We need to identify the GOBs.
They really aren't Good Ole Boys, which is a compliment where I'm from. They are pontificating self important douchenozzles really, lording over tiny cyber-worlds they control. It's little man stuff, and of course, some of them are engaged in trafficking in humped up helmets and such. They really are more in the zone of petty criminals and Irish Traveler type scam artists, hardly worthy of "GOB" nomination.
tjg79
Senior Member
Well, in this context, the meaning of the word "good" isn't really good. To clear up the vagueness, we should start identifying these "good old boys" and track their actions. It'll be like turning on the kitchen lights and watching all the cockroaches scurry away.
I know, the "correction" is rhetorical really, you teed it up so I could hit it. It's not like they are a mafia of any kind, like a "lid mafia" as that imparts too much respectability and honor. They are more a pompous rat nest of shoplifters and petty larcenists
iron bender
750 Press Operator
Stick to Luft and Heer single decal m35 and m40 factory and reissues and be happy. To those who enjoy collecting and pointing out good $15k ss helmets, good hunting. Camos? What are you hiding from? I don't trust any of them. (except the one's in my collection)
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M45
Well-known member
Some of the damage to GHW done by DougB; over 500 helmets and over 1/4 million views of Ron R's collection deleted. This was done, mind you, with the full blessings of the current GHW administration!
Early complaints about Doug were angrily denounced with demands like "you shall honor the memory of DougB !!" Pretty pathetic, really. DougB rips the heart out of the GHW forum and all the admins can say is, "let's get back to posting, guys! After all, that is what we're all about!"
Ron R. is a trooper and starting to re-post all of his deleted stuff, but it may be a blow from which the forum will never fully recover. Such insanity never even happened at WAF!
For those of you who STILL think DougB is a great guy, think again! If he actually believed in C-SS all this time (re: the last 10 years or so) then at best he is an arrogant, incompetent blowhard. He, the "expert", could not even see under magnification that C-SS was a template, spray painted fake in his early magnification posts ?
On the other hand, if he actually knew very early on that C-SS was fake, then he (and Kelly) has been playing the entire collecting community for fools for the past decade. Makes you wonder. His "good collecting friend" Kelly H. was busy giving legitimacy to C-SS (the forgery) by publishing it with photos and detailed descriptions (I love the 'brass pulver' explanation for the champagne hue).
Doug was the leader of the C-SS parade in trumpeting from on high that C-SS was published, had the 'scientific backing' of XRFacts, had 'plenty of period photographic evidence' to support it, had a 'clear period pulver and base construction', and even came with a COA guarantee ! All the while Kelly was making a fortune off of these things at the expense of collector's hard earned $$$. That doesn't sound like a great guy to me.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - DougB
Early complaints about Doug were angrily denounced with demands like "you shall honor the memory of DougB !!" Pretty pathetic, really. DougB rips the heart out of the GHW forum and all the admins can say is, "let's get back to posting, guys! After all, that is what we're all about!"
Ron R. is a trooper and starting to re-post all of his deleted stuff, but it may be a blow from which the forum will never fully recover. Such insanity never even happened at WAF!
For those of you who STILL think DougB is a great guy, think again! If he actually believed in C-SS all this time (re: the last 10 years or so) then at best he is an arrogant, incompetent blowhard. He, the "expert", could not even see under magnification that C-SS was a template, spray painted fake in his early magnification posts ?
On the other hand, if he actually knew very early on that C-SS was fake, then he (and Kelly) has been playing the entire collecting community for fools for the past decade. Makes you wonder. His "good collecting friend" Kelly H. was busy giving legitimacy to C-SS (the forgery) by publishing it with photos and detailed descriptions (I love the 'brass pulver' explanation for the champagne hue).
Doug was the leader of the C-SS parade in trumpeting from on high that C-SS was published, had the 'scientific backing' of XRFacts, had 'plenty of period photographic evidence' to support it, had a 'clear period pulver and base construction', and even came with a COA guarantee ! All the while Kelly was making a fortune off of these things at the expense of collector's hard earned $$$. That doesn't sound like a great guy to me.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - DougB
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tjg79
Senior Member
I think I detect a hint of bias in this post. I think it's important to remain objective, understand the timeline, and stick to the facts when assessing the CSS lid fiasco.
Although it can be disappointing when someone deletes their posts and a forum loses a lot of good reference information, this is not the first time this type of action has happened. If the forum allows posts to be deleted by a member, then it can happen anytime.
M45
Well-known member
All you have to do, tjg, is go back through this thread and look at ALL of those screen captures of DougB making his outrageous statements. I know you think I'm hurt and upset at being banned, but that's all really beside the point. I don't have to make up anything, it's all right there for us to see. I agree, by all means remain objective and read the screen captures. Those are his words, with date and time stamps mind you. Why do you think he erased everything he ever said on that forum? I think it's because that although he was very careful in what he said about C-SS in those early days (you can definitely detect evasiveness in his language), he made some very incriminating statements about 'plenty of period photographic evidence' supporting C-SS (clearly false) and C-SS having a 'clear period pulver and base construction (also clearly false). He also said something like C-SS had a 'similar if not the same construction as original Pocher SS decals' (false once again - a painted insignia does not resemble a celluloid decal in construction).
Also, don't forget about his C-SS 'groupies', Frank and SSamir who are/were close associates of Doug, caught admitting they never believed C-SS was real after vetting it.
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tjg79
Senior Member
I know it's all there, but what isn't clear is the timeline of his opinion evolution pertaining to the CSS lid. Doug B was a believer in XRF lid testing and the CSS lid, but he evolved out of those beliefs based on learning. Like everyone, Doug B has a learning curve and he's progressed to the point that he knows the faults in those early beliefs and changed his opinions.