Questionable Camos
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M45
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It would help if you would tell us exactly what you don't like about the wire. Much can be learned from such discussion - that's why it is permitted here whether everyone agrees with it or not.
If you plan on being on forums for any length of time, try growing a thicker skin and a sense of humor - the more bizarre the better :\ .
Finding my helmets posted is not difficult. Click on my M45 link and go to started threads. For the record, I've never claimed expert status for myself, and just because I don't currently own camos does not mean I don't have anything worthwhile to say about them.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?5655-Late-war-helmets
Player11
Right Nad
Yes i know, i uses to laught with it, because he has a strange way of replying to arguments, because as said his knowledge is medium and the knowledge of his dog Niblet is "-1".
He is blind with this.
About why no argumenting his replies? Because it doesn't deserve
M45
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For the record I don't like that wire either.
Would it have something to do with the appearance of the finish being heavily worn BEFORE the application of the wire ? If the wire had been placed prior to the heavy wear, the wire would have acted as protection of the finish in a chicken wire pattern over the shell, would it not have ?
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Niblet
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so are you saying ghosting would make it authentic?
look at the "sitting bird in a cage" fiasco, on GHW2,there is ghosting there,,but it has been expertly applied,,
when you factor in the corrosion and replaced liner issues a blind man can see its questionable
No, you didn't. I wouldn't worry about it though.. this thread is fast turning into a master & his apprentice scenario
M45
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Ghw2 camo up for discussion. Is it real, or is it a high-end fake ? Hmmmm...... I know I may be alone on this one.
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mauser99
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I know the owner of this one for what was paid it really wouldn't matter.. SO why spend all the time to fake it if it was sold for next to nothing ??
Oh maybe just to cause confusion and Keep this thread moving ????? LOL
M45
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Mauser, not commenting on the specific people involved or their intentions in this instance, it is not out of the realm of possibility that high-end fakes are inserted into the hobby via 'wood-work finds' such as vet acquisitions. While the story and the paper are interesting, it is not 'rock-solid' provenance tying the unit and vet to the helmet. It is a nice story with a photo of the unit paper and helmet sitting next to one another. That could really be any helmet sitting there. So while the early collectors/pickers involved in a high-end fake woodwork "discovery" may not have paid a lot of $$$ for the helmet, you can be sure that the next collectors who acquire it will pay close to a top collectors price, say in the neighborhood of $4K or more.
Vet acquisition stories/battlefield pickup stories are a dime-a-dozen (no offense to dimes). I remember the one on a dealer's site years ago featuring a Q M40 ND and an M42 ND that had been acquired together, supposedly captured together in a bunker after a battle. Both helmets WITH the story were being sold together - of course the story bumped up the price on what the helmets would have sold for individually without any story. How could anyone disprove such a story ? This was what had been presented before us and we were expected to believe it word-for-word. How could such a story be countered ?
One way - I had previously owned the M42 and had detailed photos. Random wear and liner matched exactly.
The moral; collectors are suckers for helmet war stories.
BTW: feel free to comment on this camo yourselves. Tell us why you think it is original. (and please don't just say, "Can't you tell ? Just look at it !!"). I will comment at some point.
Vet acquisition stories/battlefield pickup stories are a dime-a-dozen (no offense to dimes). I remember the one on a dealer's site years ago featuring a Q M40 ND and an M42 ND that had been acquired together, supposedly captured together in a bunker after a battle. Both helmets WITH the story were being sold together - of course the story bumped up the price on what the helmets would have sold for individually without any story. How could anyone disprove such a story ? This was what had been presented before us and we were expected to believe it word-for-word. How could such a story be countered ?
One way - I had previously owned the M42 and had detailed photos. Random wear and liner matched exactly.
The moral; collectors are suckers for helmet war stories.
BTW: feel free to comment on this camo yourselves. Tell us why you think it is original. (and please don't just say, "Can't you tell ? Just look at it !!"). I will comment at some point.
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I know the owner of this one for what was paid it really wouldn't matter.. SO why spend all the time to fake it if it was sold for next to nothing ??
Oh maybe just to cause confusion and Keep this thread moving ????? LOL
I also know the owner who sourced it.He isn't selling,picked it up locally.No reason at all to lie.
It's a 1000% real woodwork authentic WW2 bring home Camo.
This is getting ridiculous.......
mauser99
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It would be wonderful to see those photos.. I don't comment unless I know the true back story and I do in this case So I made it known..
So he bought a Fake helmet for little $$ just to make up a vet source story to what gain ? as he no intention of selling the helmet after being offered 5k for the helmet ?? I guess ?????? It's a real interesting deception tactic for not screwing people over who want to buy a helmet that's not for sale.
So he bought a Fake helmet for little $$ just to make up a vet source story to what gain ? as he no intention of selling the helmet after being offered 5k for the helmet ?? I guess ?????? It's a real interesting deception tactic for not screwing people over who want to buy a helmet that's not for sale.
It would be wonderful to see those photos.. I don't comment unless I know the true back story and I do in this case So I made it known..
So he bought a Fake helmet for little $$ just to make up a vet source story to what gain ? as he no intention of selling the helmet after being offered 5k for the helmet ?? I guess ?????? It's a real interesting deception tactic for not screwing people over who want to buy a helmet that's not for sale.
Not only that it blows his "vibrant colors" argument out of the water.
This one is very vibrant and very real.
M45
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Mauser, you're not reading my posts correctly;
....not commenting on the specific people involved or their intentions in this instance....
I'm limiting my comments to the helmet and provenance and theoretical face-less players of exotic freshies in general, not getting personal with intentions of people involved with this one.
I'm not using the L-word. I am assuming that all parties involved may have simply been mistaken.
That said, why not keep our comments on the helmet/provenance and faceless players ?
I already mentioned what benefit to theoretical players of exotic freshies could be - the insertion of such helmets into the collecting community in a reasonable way. This is necessary to avoid questions of suspicion such as "where is all of this stuff coming from ? Oh yes, these are vet-involved 'woodwork finds' involving pickers" - very reasonable.
....not commenting on the specific people involved or their intentions in this instance....
I'm limiting my comments to the helmet and provenance and theoretical face-less players of exotic freshies in general, not getting personal with intentions of people involved with this one.
I'm not using the L-word. I am assuming that all parties involved may have simply been mistaken.
That said, why not keep our comments on the helmet/provenance and faceless players ?
I already mentioned what benefit to theoretical players of exotic freshies could be - the insertion of such helmets into the collecting community in a reasonable way. This is necessary to avoid questions of suspicion such as "where is all of this stuff coming from ? Oh yes, these are vet-involved 'woodwork finds' involving pickers" - very reasonable.
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mauser99
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in this case I know the fellow posting and know there is NO made up story. I think that's an important part of it.
This helmet shows all the signs as being legit as Hambone's two Normandy ex-wire helmets and I see you make no mention of them ?
They exhibit paint micro spatter and alleged tool marks all the red flags you are warning us about.. So, is it more Who posts not what the red flags are ?
I made that comment there as well as here so I'm sure you read it . I see a major double standard.
You have NO axe to grind with him so lets not embarrass and mock him like you do the other members of that site.
I really feel that's what this is all about or really does seem like it.
I enjoy both forums but, this is as much a helmet forum as GHW is a K98 forum.
If you are going to micro manage the helmets posted there at least be un-biased.
This helmet shows all the signs as being legit as Hambone's two Normandy ex-wire helmets and I see you make no mention of them ?
They exhibit paint micro spatter and alleged tool marks all the red flags you are warning us about.. So, is it more Who posts not what the red flags are ?
I made that comment there as well as here so I'm sure you read it . I see a major double standard.
You have NO axe to grind with him so lets not embarrass and mock him like you do the other members of that site.
I really feel that's what this is all about or really does seem like it.
I enjoy both forums but, this is as much a helmet forum as GHW is a K98 forum.
If you are going to micro manage the helmets posted there at least be un-biased.
There is a distinction between mine. The provenance is ON the helmet and in the liner on one, the provenance matches up with the helmet. I know the direct provenance of the other, its twin, as it came directly out of the vet's cedar chest who brought it back and was handed to my close friend from whom I got it, while the vet was alive. The FPN in that helmet matches up with the AO of the label helmet and the US units match.
So, don't allude to my postings in an obliquely pejorative manner to somehow conclude that my helmets are "good" because of "who" I am. Because, I'm willing to bet however much money you care to put on the table, and even give you five to one odds on it, that those two helmets are original wartime camouflage painted helmets. I posted them for purposes of comparison. If you would like to use mine as benchmark originals, because that is what they are, then compare them based upon that, not some oblique insult concerning "who" posted them. The "who" is completely removed from this and that was the purpose of me posting those.
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