Questionable Camos

[nirvana]

I saw that Lifetime Guarantee but couldn't find the details. Has anyone returned one and received full reimbursement?

This concept is in itself a great scam, at least I think so. You sell some rube a turd helmet in 2000 for $1500 with one of these pieces of magic paper. He comes to his senses in 2017 and gets his $1500 refunded back. You now take that turd and throw it back up for sale, only now it's worth $3300 and will resell with ease. Or, you "let" the guy return the helmet for $1500 in trade trinkets. You bought those same trinkets for $500 over the years. So you scalp $1000 there, and then make a couple of grand more during the resale. In either case, the guy you screwed is happier than a pig in mud. You "honored your word" and he gets more shiny shite for his collection. How can you lose?

Of course, this is just what makes sense to me, we're this system to be used for bad things. I have no idea if it's done, and by whom. What says you guys?

 

[M45]

GHW2 M40 Sd Luft reissue. The detail rim shot shows dark rust patina, then factory texture blue gray, then a tropical tan, then a reissue green/gray. Most replicas do not have near this kind of detail. They have pristine textured paint with maybe a few dings to metal.

An authentic reissue for a change, and no I was not prompted to post it ; )

 

[M45]

that's a horrible camo..Cant believe G let this one on his site. After that fake camo Q he bought back he would be more careful ????

Believe it, Mauser. More and more of these things are appearing on dealer sites selling for authentic prices and vetted on helmet forums. I would estimate up to 30% of dealer's new updated stock is comprised of questionable camos. These are just the 'questionable camos' Mauser, those obvious restorations to you and me that are being circulated. There are also the professionally done high-end fakes, so well executed that they resemble in nearly every detail what authentic camos appeared as 70 years prior.

I like comparison shots so here you go (all my opinion of course)

#1 authentic Normandy camo

#2 authentic Normandy camo

#3 questionable Normandy camo (should be obvious to most of us)

#4 high-end fake Normandy camo (will fool probably 90% of all collectors)

 

[Niblet]

Dont go away mad................

Another good lid condemned.

I am out of here...

QUOTE=Eurofighter;186541]M45 to answer your question, I think this is your typical sacrificial ND M42, a nice 'plain Jane' with a post war added wood chip covering.

Reasons - a) In this case very little to zero wear. b) Reddish looking rust in various areas. c) Liner looks in much better shape than the helmet, raising suspicion.

EF

[/QUOTE]

Although I am new to this forum, I'm not new to collecting,,(about 10 yrs now) I believe M-45 is one of the few who tell it like it is
thats why i remain here and attempt to contribute,,I enjoy german helmets,,I want to increase my knowledge
I also get a fair amoutn of glee when items are shown to be bad,,and explained why in laymens terms,
I think some guys are sore about the state of Camo collecting nowadays because they have a bunch on thier shelves
now all of a sudden M-45 isnt afraid to say it like it is and they start to doubt,,,then denial,,,then anger,,,,

this is a great little subforum as far as I'm concerned

 

[Niblet]

Heres one I was wonder what ya all thought of...

opinions greatly appreciated

 

[ZF41 K98k]

Although I am new to this forum, I'm not new to collecting,,(about 10 yrs now) I believe M-45 is one of the few who tell it like it is
thats why i remain here and attempt to contribute,,I enjoy german helmets,,I want to increase my knowledge
I also get a fair amoutn of glee when items are shown to be bad,,and explained why in laymens terms,
I think some guys are sore about the state of Camo collecting nowadays because they have a bunch on thier shelves
now all of a sudden M-45 isnt afraid to say it like it is and they start to doubt,,,then denial,,,then anger,,,,

this is a great little subforum as far as I'm concerned

Well hopefully you will enjoy all the extremely battered and used helmets that you will subsequently buy and get vetted by him then... after all, those are the only originals out there

 

[Niblet]

Actually I dont think he's far off,,all a guy has to do is look at Facebook,,and see what is SERIOUSLY being passed off as
Period items! I think this is the new face of the hobby,,then go look at the forums,,,all the "old timers"
I knew and remebered are still there from 2009 when I first joined, and they are still the most prolific posters
on the forum,,,ohhh and did I mention they all have there own books now? all nicely broken up by the different badges
and whatnot,,you can buy a single book,,a set or a whole series,,
DONT tell me that the hobby hasnt been or is continued to be manipulated by the big names and their minions

I am a purist, I want, simply items that were constructed in WWII I dont want one page explanations of this that or the other
I pulled a Heer SD SE64 from a box in grandpas attic sometime about 1976 or so i guess,,,and he told me that his brother had brought
it home from the war,,(his brother died in a house fire in the 60's) so I am glad to have at least one helmet that I know isnt messed with
but I firmly believe that AT LEAST 60 % of what is sold today is not WWII period,,,,thats my humble opinion

 

[Hambone]

opinions greatly appreciated

No way, even from the pics. If someone wanted to fedex it to me for an in hand, with a fedex return label that would require little more than calling fedex for a pickup I would politely decline the invitation to examine it and advise that they invest the fedex money in something worthwhile, like a case of premium beer.

 

[Spoof]

opinions greatly appreciated

A documented Bill Maertz creation

 

[Hambone]

Believe it, Mauser. More and more of these things are appearing on dealer sites selling for authentic prices and vetted on helmet forums. I would estimate up to 30% of dealer's new updated stock is comprised of questionable camos. These are just the 'questionable camos' Mauser, those obvious restorations to you and me that are being circulated. There are also the professionally done high-end fakes, so well executed that they resemble in nearly every detail what authentic camos appeared as 70 years prior.

I like comparison shots so here you go (all my opinion of course)

#1 authentic Normandy camo

#2 authentic Normandy camo

#3 questionable Normandy camo (should be obvious to most of us)

#4 high-end fake Normandy camo (will fool probably 90% of all collectors)

Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

 

[Hambone]

A documented Bill Maertz creation

I remember awhile back that helmet, or one or two identical, were sold in some episode called "Christmas in August" where Mark someone sold an entire helmet collection to one guy for apparently much money. Most of the "camos" were humpers like that thing. IMHO, of course. Some lids like that were featured in the Goodapple I and II books.

 

[Niblet]

A documented Bill Maertz creation

yes! you win the prize,,however this crappy helmet which Bill M touched up for me by request
the helmet was already a bogus camo when I got it,,I am not sure why but I sent it to Bill
to make it more "believable"? I guess anyway,,I sold it (to whom I cannot recall) as the bogus camo it was
I think I had about 250.00 into it at this point,,,and a year or so later it surfaced on GHW as someones "prize"
from the SOS,,,and sure enough there was about a page of "Nice one" before i saw it and told everyone what it really was

This is documented in a pinned thread over on GHW2

 

[M45]

M1940 Luftwaffe Camouflaged German Helmet

This is a nice honest combat experienced M1940 Luftwaffe Three Color Camouflaged German helmet. The helmet retains 75-80% of the original field applied three color camouflaged paint. The camouflaged paint is made up of dark red, light green, and tan. The Split pin rivets are fully intact and are clearly original to the helmet. This German helmet has the correct steel banded M1931 liner. The liner band is size 57. The liner leather is in good condition. The original drawstring is present and is in fair condition with some fraying. The helmet has a period correct chinstrap that is in good overall condition. The long end of the strap has been shortened which was a fairly common practice among the soldiers. The helmet is an ET64, indicating manufacture by the Eisenhuttenwerke firm in Thale, Germany. The lot number is 1380. As with all our WWII German helmets, this M1940 Luftwaffe German helmet comes with our Lifetime Guarantee and Certificate of Authenticity.

$2,500.00 Item #2937



A camo with similarity of style to the French Impressionist painter Claude Monet in his later years as he suffered from cataracts. Possibly a French Connection.

When Monet was talked into his cataract operation in 1923, he was aged 82 and almost blind. He agreed to the operation on his right eye but not his left and was able to see out of his right eye with special spectacles. Works from after the operation show that items painted using his left eye, the one still suffering cataracts, have a red and yellow domination; those using his right eye a blue cast. By way of example, between 1922 and 1924 Monet painted a large number of works all called The House seen from the Roses Garden. Here are some of them:

http://bytesdaily.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html

First painting; “The Japanese Bridge at Giverny” 1918-1924

 

[Niblet]

A nice comparison m-45,,,Why is Dave selling these questionable camos?
this really shakes my confidence in his integrity

 

[Niblet]

Heres another FaceBook wonder:

John Robella Beautiful helmet.

Dave Holbrook I used to own that

Janko Helmemarad Great!How small is world, i bought it from Nick.

Dave Holbrook I sold it few years back on Waf


Dave Holbrook User name on Waf is sscrooge

Janko Helmemarad Mine is blastedmind, but i'm used to be more active on GHW

 

[Niblet]

I see alot of contrived wear,,,the "stacking ring" on the top is a nice touch,,

 

[Hambone]

About the best you can get from any dealer is a lifetime guarantee and return policy. If you rely upon any guarantee to mean something is authentic, as opposed to being a refund policy, you're backing up.

 

[capt14k]

About the best you can get from any dealer is a lifetime guarantee and return policy. If you rely upon any guarantee to mean something is authentic, as opposed to being a refund policy, you're backing up.

So the guy with the lifetime guarantee will actually reimburse the buyer in full in cash money? Not saying that makes it ok to sell fakes, but it is better than a taillight guarantee. Has anyone actually tried to collect and if so what happens if M45 says it is a fake and the buyer agrees but the dealer does not? I'm just curious.

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[Niblet]

I myself have asked this question,,what 'proof' does one need to collect on a guarantee?
also Has Hicks paid out any monies on the CSS debacle??

 

[capt14k]

Believe it, Mauser. More and more of these things are appearing on dealer sites selling for authentic prices and vetted on helmet forums. I would estimate up to 30% of dealer's new updated stock is comprised of questionable camos. These are just the 'questionable camos' Mauser, those obvious restorations to you and me that are being circulated. There are also the professionally done high-end fakes, so well executed that they resemble in nearly every detail what authentic camos appeared as 70 years prior.

I like comparison shots so here you go (all my opinion of course)

#1 authentic Normandy camo

#2 authentic Normandy camo

#3 questionable Normandy camo (should be obvious to most of us)

#4 high-end fake Normandy camo (will fool probably 90% of all collectors)

That is the perfect type of post. I am actually seeing the differences. Not that I plan on collecting helmets but I do find it fascinating.

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