Questionable Camos

[M45]

WWII German Model 1940 Army Sawdust Camouflage Helmet

https://therupturedduck.com/collect...del-1940-army-sawdust-camouflage-helmet-named

H-285a
WWII German Model 1940 Army Sawdust Camouflage Helmet, Named $ 1,795.00

WWII German Model 1940 Army Sawdust Camouflage Helmet, Named-This helmet has a thick, sawdust enhanced camouflage finish of green and tan. This chunky finish remains 85% intact overall. There are a few chips above where the decal lies, underneath the finish. This reveals an army decal which is pretty cool. The interior looks untouched but there are a few "rough" spots on the liner band which makes us think it could have been out at some point. The size 56 liner has lots of discoloration but only minor wear and remains soft. The liner band is reinforced aluminum, maker marked and dated 1939. There is also a size stamp that reads 64/56. The side of the interior is stamped NS 64 indicating production by Nickelwerke in Schwerte in the size of 64. The rear skirt is stamped with the steel lot number E 118. The owner wrote his name in white ink, Föller. There is a dark brown leather chinstrap with aluminum hardware. It is maker marked and dated 1937. Check out this price!


I'll give this one credit for at least trying to look like a period German camo helmet. It lacks the wild exotic tiger stripes, polka dots and Monet style brushwork. But those are not the only camos to question.

This one used 3 colors that I can see; an olive/tan, an olive/green/ and an olive/drab in conjunction with woodchips. Not the standard RAL Normandy camo by any means, it uses colors more associated with US Forces than German IMO, possibly from a WWII-color paint set (or maybe the German trooper used paint from captured US stocks during the early Bulge successes).

High coverage despite heavy rim/vent wear. Some areas appear to have been painted around as opposed to the paint wearing off from use. Pristine conditioned material despite several areas of extreme wear (scallop, rear dome). The close-up shot reveals something that was placed against the finish while it was still tacky and then removed, pulling some of the material with it. The decal area was later gouged to reveal Heer decal remnants, how convenient.

A moderately well conceived, well applied, and well aged piece that has spent some time cooking outdoors re: heavy rusting to bare steel. Lacking in believable combat wear.

 

[M45]

Winter Camouflage WWII Stalingrad

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371846460856?ul_noapp=true

Extremely Rare German M-42 Helmet With Winter Camouflage WWII Stalingrad Trophy

Price:
US $1,700.00

An extremely rare German M-42 helmet with winter camouflage. Coming as a trophy from the battle for Stalingrad.
Made by Vereinigte Deutsche Nickelwerke in Dusseldorf, Germany. Part of a private collection in Russia, now for sale. Perfect Christmas gift for WWII collectors. I tried my best to capture this original helmet from different angles, on different light, so you will see what you are buying. Please take a good look at the pictures to check the condition and details, as the pictures worth more than words in this ebay world.

On the shell, there are markings " 0488 " and " NS 66 ".

Over the markings, there is an autograph / inscription, made by a soldier.

On the leather strap, there is unclear marking " Heinrich Sonnk 104 o " or something similar.

Feel free to ask any questions, i am always happy to help

 

[mauser99]

https://therupturedduck.com/collect...del-1940-army-sawdust-camouflage-helmet-named

H-285a
WWII German Model 1940 Army Sawdust Camouflage Helmet, Named $ 1,795.00

WWII German Model 1940 Army Sawdust Camouflage Helmet, Named-This helmet has a thick, sawdust enhanced camouflage finish of green and tan. This chunky finish remains 85% intact overall. There are a few chips above where the decal lies, underneath the finish. This reveals an army decal which is pretty cool. The interior looks untouched but there are a few "rough" spots on the liner band which makes us think it could have been out at some point. The size 56 liner has lots of discoloration but only minor wear and remains soft. The liner band is reinforced aluminum, maker marked and dated 1939. There is also a size stamp that reads 64/56. The side of the interior is stamped NS 64 indicating production by Nickelwerke in Schwerte in the size of 64. The rear skirt is stamped with the steel lot number E 118. The owner wrote his name in white ink, Föller. There is a dark brown leather chinstrap with aluminum hardware. It is maker marked and dated 1937. Check out this price!


I'll give this one credit for at least trying to look like a period German camo helmet. It lacks the wild exotic tiger stripes, polka dots and Monet style brushwork. But those are not the only camos to question.

This one used 3 colors that I can see; an olive/tan, an olive/green/ and an olive/drab in conjunction with woodchips. Not the standard RAL Normandy camo by any means, it uses colors more associated with US Forces than German IMO, possibly from a WWII-color paint set (or maybe the German trooper used paint from captured US stocks during the early Bulge successes).

High coverage despite heavy rim/vent wear. Some areas appear to have been paint around as opposed to the paint wearing off from use. Pristine conditioned material despite several areas of extreme wear (scallop, rear dome). The close-up shot reveals something that was placed against the finish while it was still tacky and then removed, pulling some of the material with it. The decal area was later gouged to reveal Heer decal remnants, how convenient.

A moderately well conceived, well applied, and well aged piece that has spent some time cooking outdoors re: heavy rusting to bare steel. Lacking in believable combat wear.

I agree this one screams aged Latvian fake for me as well.. The perfect flat petrified liner for one. Very few if any real ones look like this. Deep red cooked rust on the vent domes and a few other tell tales I don't personally like... The duck has really been letting a few slip by over the last couple years.. He blames the son of course than quickly takes them down when someone takes the time to notify him.

 

[mauser99]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371846460856?ul_noapp=true

Extremely Rare German M-42 Helmet With Winter Camouflage WWII Stalingrad Trophy

Price:
US $1,700.00

An extremely rare German M-42 helmet with winter camouflage. Coming as a trophy from the battle for Stalingrad.
Made by Vereinigte Deutsche Nickelwerke in Dusseldorf, Germany. Part of a private collection in Russia, now for sale. Perfect Christmas gift for WWII collectors. I tried my best to capture this original helmet from different angles, on different light, so you will see what you are buying. Please take a good look at the pictures to check the condition and details, as the pictures worth more than words in this ebay world.

On the shell, there are markings " 0488 " and " NS 66 ".

Over the markings, there is an autograph / inscription, made by a soldier.

On the leather strap, there is unclear marking " Heinrich Sonnk 104 o " or something similar.

Feel free to ask any questions, i am always happy to help

300.00 no decal lid with a quickie white brush job..

Searching for a REAL camo on ebay is like searching for a virgin in a Brothel.. They all claim to be but none are...lol

 

[M45]

Dak helmets in Afrika

https://youtu.be/XBTW1E7MFuQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBTW1E7MFuQ&feature=youtu.be

DAK helmets in Afrika. About 1:57-1:59.


Would these helmets be seen as 'questionable' today ?

 

[Frank F.]

https://youtu.be/XBTW1E7MFuQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBTW1E7MFuQ&feature=youtu.be

DAK helmets in Afrika. About 1:57-1:59.


Would these helmets be seen as 'questionable' today ?

Incorrect RAL color, lacking believable combat wear.



F.

 

[M45]

Look at those rivets - pristine! Unnatural wear patterns

Probably DAK tan that was overly thinned and lost it's sticking properties.

 

[mauser99]

Look at those rivets - pristine! Unnatural wear patterns

Probably DAK tan that was overly thinned and lost it's sticking properties.

What makes paint stick is proper prep work of the underlying metal and or paint or primer. These things were just painted over the base color and or surface with no prep work, They really weren't thinking of the long term when these were being done.

 

[M45]

To a degree, yes. I have seen many depot reissues and camos with flaking paint, even some unissued factory finishes that had flaked terribly.

I get the general feeling that there was not much prep work to depot reissues, and much less to camos. A clean surface was probably the only requirement; probably not any sanding or priming as one would consider with a home project.

What I see in these photos is a very thin overpaint, probably thinned to stretch it out but mistakenly over-thinned. As a result, you had a very weak application that came off with the slightest touch.

Contractor reissues by contrast had all prior paint removed before the application of a textured finish inside and out. These have held up very well and are comparable to factory finishes for durability. These were likely baked-on like factory finishes.

 

[M45]

Snow camo waf

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=896738

Just put a deposit down on this lid. It was found in Norway and has been in two different collections since then. The paint isn't the standard whitewash but rather a vehicle paint. I'm by no means a helmet expert it has been looked on quite kindly by a lot of people I know who say it's real. The goggles have been added by the current seller to cover up a doodle on the front of the helmet.


This snow camo was vetted on WAF. Vehicle paint, they said, from Norway. L 450 ($900 ?) a decent price ? It would be a terrific price if original. If a post war overpaint then that would be outrageously high.

I think that white painted snow camos are so incredibly rare that most collectors do not even know what to look for in an original. Those single color camos (white, tan) are the easiest to reproduce.


No worries. It's good. A nice woodwork find from Norway.

Well that's nice. I was a bit worried there.

 

[M45]

German M-40 helmet. Camo white with black spots. Q64.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-M-40...383581?hash=item3ad89eb7dd:g:L4oAAOSw4DJYipuR

A Latvian Connection snow camo. A bit more believable than the vetted Norwegian Connection snow camo above.

By comparing fakes to fakes we can see that the fakes being vetted on forums are not even as good as the well-known fakes from East Europe.

 

[M45]

Q M40 SS Camo.

Posted before but worth a re mention due to its near universal acceptance and scary good looks.

A Quist M40 shell, but I can't verify that it has a Q decal due to the camo. While Quist SS decals are not available as loosies (as I understand it) Pocher SS decals are, and look very similar to Q SS decals. The defining details have been obscured.

There are other issues of course, such as the paint feathering on top of the visor. That lighter paint underneath looks suspicious to me. It should have darkened considerably due to combat exposure and 70 years of the elements IMO. Postwar camo jobs, on the contrary, often show this feathering paint feature of newer paint underneath being exposed after the rest of the camo has undergone aging treatments.

That bright yellow underneath does not look like aged RAL tan IMO.

Recent red rust on bare metal is disturbing as well as the heavy rust pitting on the rim. Pitting is a rust characteristic that happens when metal sits undisturbed for a time while exposed to the elements (such as a fake camo cooking). On the contrary, the dark smooth rust happens when oxidation is occurring at the same time the object is being handled (such as an authentic camo in use or a military vehicle door that is constantly being touched).

I realize this is not a REX-39 camo, but he might be able to shed some light into how something like this could be produced, such as how to create the elongated wear marks.

If this turns out to be a movie prop (which I suspect it is) it would be terrible news for camo collectors.

 

[mcorioles]

Sorry,100% real deal.

 

[M45]

Sorry,100% real deal.

We never see a good clear close-up shot of the decal. I wonder why ?

 

[mcorioles]

Pretty sure Doug B owned it and had more detailed shots.You have to remember rare lids like these are well known and usually shot in detail.I do the same on lids I own that have already been shot in detail

 

[M45]

All of the fresh rust and pitted steel that takes months of setting in the elements undisturbed has yet to be explained.

This is the type of helmet that I used to dream about; super-rare SS camo with just the right amount of wear (with that used but not abused look). It truly is a 'dream helmet'.

The only problem is that dreams are not reality.

 

[M45]

M40 combat camouflage helmet US Army military estate

M40 combat camouflage helmet US Army military estate

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...538913?hash=item4d5354a8a1:g:7lcAAOSwImRYJ8YY

Here is your chance to own a German WWII M40 combat helmet. This Q64 is what is referred to as a concrete style finish in a Normandy scheme. The shell is named to an Obgfr Steinmetz. The coloration on this one is amazing. The shell unfortunately has a hairline crack on the top of it as can be seen in the photos and a ding to the rear rim. I have placed a US dime for size comparison. The split-pins are untouched and there are even remnants of spider egg sacks in between the ring and shell - undisturbed. The size 56 leather liner is in good overall condition and is authentic as is everything about this piece though it was professionally added to the shell. Several experts have looked at this example and do not believe the liner was added. As stated the split-pins are 100% untouched in every way. If this helmet does not sell here at my asking price I will have no problem keeping it in my collection. With 99% of the other lids on this site being absolutely laughable, this one-looker original is a diamond in the rough. I photographed this helmet with a strip of MG42 ammo and a camo gas mask canister for display purposes only and these items are not included in the sale whatsoever. This is a scarce item to be found on the open market. Everything about this helmet is absolutely guaranteed authentic!

US $2,895.00


With 99% of the other lids on this site being absolutely laughable,

but not this one. The garage overspray is a nice touch.

 

[ebeeby]

I always wonder which meaning of "authentic" they intend...



Definition of authentic

1
a : worthy of acceptance or belief as conforming to or based on fact <paints an authentic picture of our society>b : conforming to an original so as to reproduce essential features <an authentic reproduction of a colonial farmhouse>c : made or done the same way as an original <authentic Mexican fare>

2
: not false or imitation : real, actual <an authentic cockney accent>

3
: true to one's own personality, spirit, or character <is sincere and authentic with no pretensions>

4
a of a church mode : ranging upward from the keynote — compare plagal 1b of a cadence : progressing from the dominant chord to the tonic — compare plagal 2

5
obsolete : authoritative

 

[M45]

Original WWII German Camo Helmet W/Liner

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...415119?hash=item489855f3cf:g:NnIAAOSwImRYckKd

Up for grabs is this original WWII German helmet. I had this helmet checked out by a man that has collected for over 30 years and he said it was totally original. This is a late war M42 style helmet with the raw edge. The outer shell retains a very nice sprayed camouflage pattern which exhibits typical scrapes and scratches. Their are no dents or dings in the shell. The original liner is present but does have damage to it. The original string is present. All three original pins and washers are present. The interior side skirt is marked ET64. Their are numbers on the rear skirt but I can't make them out. This is a great looking and all original helmet that has not been tampered with. I think you will be quit pleased with it. Helmet will be shipped fully insured. Sorry, no overseas shipping. If returned, buyer responsible for shipping both ways.

Starting bid:
US $1,100.00

A hammered old helmet with damaged liner was a good choice for restoration. A faux 3-color Normandy scheme maybe worth $150 for parts or as a reinactor.

Contrasting this camo with the M40 SS camo above, the M40 started with a better conditioned helmet/liner. The camo colors were carefully chosen and applied and aged. Expert wear was applied.

And while both camos are IMO postwar replicas, the M40 shows much more attention to fine detail after starting with better conditioned hardware. It makes the difference between acceptance and rejection by the camo collecting community.

 

[M45]

Pretty sure Doug B owned it and had more detailed shots.You have to remember rare lids like these are well known and usually shot in detail.I do the same on lids I own that have already been shot in detail

Why does it not surprise me the M40 SS camo was once owned by DougB ? He has been associated with a number of high-end fake camos such as that $12,500 fake Normandy/wire (we need a nickname for that one).

Low end camo collectors circulate crude, less expensive fake camos while the 'big boys' circulate this high-end trash among themselves. These expensive movie props acquire ownership histories, COA paperwork, vet acquisition stories and exposure on helmet forums. These things are pointed to when marketing them to deep-pocket novice prospective buyers.