Helmet from ghw2. For me, to put it mildly, "doubtful". Everyone applauds, but I'm sure if someone outside the "circle" did this, they would be shot down in a second.My doubts marked. Many same, tool markings. And of course, no real patina, micro-wear, etc. The defense line is standard - you have 6 posts so you don't know anything and stay quiet.
Questionable Camos
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Niblet
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If this one came from the RonR collection then it would be a one looker
Rare M42 Heer combat medics helmet, « ET66 »
Rare M42 Heer combat medics helmet, « ET66 »www.lux-military-antiques.com
Rare M42 Heer combat medics helmet, « ET66 »
An exceptional and textbook Heer combat medics helmet, this one was recently found in the center of France during a house clearance and has never been in collection before, it remained in its untouched state. The helmet is an « ET66 » with an unreadable lot number. The exterior of the helmet as well as the skirt were first painted in red, the locations of the two crosses were delimited in grease pencil then the outside was painted in white, leaving the two red crosses to appear. The exterior is in overall very good condition, it retains over 95% of the paint with a slight oxidation on the right side and a very nice patina. The interior has suffered of a poor storage, the leather is dry but the original chinstrap is present. It is certainly one of the rarest German helmets, this type of helmet is never offered on the market!
7750,00€tax inc.
Ref:LMA11146
A bit expensive for what appears to be there. This helmet had been red painted inside and out, and then the white paint was applied leaving the cross shape exposed.
My understanding of red helmets is that they were done post war. The same is the case with chrome plated/brass plated helmets. I am aware of no period photos or documentation that support these helmets being TR era. If I'm wrong, someone please enlighten me.
I'll say $100 for this one. The leather is shot and some time will have to be spent removing all of the PW paint.
M45
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Latvian Connection camo using original shell, possibly original liner band. This one is obviously bad, but some are much better. 565 EU buy it now, some might call this reasonable even for a known fake. A more realistic price might be $100.
eBay-Artikelnr.:256269318440
eBay-Artikelnr.:256269318440
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M45
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The thing about camos is that they can fall into a very wide range. Some of them are obviously bad (the Latvian Connection camo above), others obviously good, but many fall somewhere into the middle, like this one. It then becomes a matter of opinion. Either one likes it or they do not. So we just need to find potential customers who like it, and we can sell it to them and avoid the naysayers.
But if we REALLY want to be sure about authenticity, we should send it in for a forensic paint examination. That is the only way to know for sure.
Remember, we don't know WHERE these masses of camo helmets are coming from. They just APPEAR (for the first time ever) one day on dealer's websites, posted on forums or on ebay. There is NO paperwork and NO verified vet provenance.
If you are not an expert on Renaissance Art for instance, would you purchase a multi-million dollar oil painting based on appearances alone ? Would you not want a forensic examination of the paint and the canvas to verify they are indeed 400 years old like the seller claims ??
But if we REALLY want to be sure about authenticity, we should send it in for a forensic paint examination. That is the only way to know for sure.
Remember, we don't know WHERE these masses of camo helmets are coming from. They just APPEAR (for the first time ever) one day on dealer's websites, posted on forums or on ebay. There is NO paperwork and NO verified vet provenance.
If you are not an expert on Renaissance Art for instance, would you purchase a multi-million dollar oil painting based on appearances alone ? Would you not want a forensic examination of the paint and the canvas to verify they are indeed 400 years old like the seller claims ??
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This one I like. Would like a hands on inspect. I’ve got two like it that I know 100%, bet my life on it are originals. Compare:
M.40 Lw. camo twins / vet mailing label
The helmet without the label is direct vet bringback from a combat engineer in the 99th Inf. Div. The one with the label was mailed home by Pvt. Louis Waldron of Co. E, 413th Regt., 104th Inf. Div. ("Timberwolves"). His company commander won the Medal of Honor. Both are Luftwaffe, both named...
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M45
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On first glance, it looks great. Upon closer examination I see some issues with it. Quite a bit of camo paint remains. While certainly not the kiss of death by any means, realize that questionable camos in general often have 90-100% paint coverage remaining. Also, the paint appears to be bright, supple, newer, instead of known period examples where the paint is dull, flat, and worn. Curved scratches, typically seen as a red flag, they can indicate un-natural wear. Lots of paint popped off of this thing instead of much paint being worn off due to wear (hard edges or 'breaks' to the paint). The smudged area of wet paint does not impress me.This one I like. Would like a hands on inspect. I’ve got two like it that I know 100%, bet my life on it are originals. Compare:
M.40 Lw. camo twins / vet mailing label
The helmet without the label is direct vet bringback from a combat engineer in the 99th Inf. Div. The one with the label was mailed home by Pvt. Louis Waldron of Co. E, 413th Regt., 104th Inf. Div. ("Timberwolves"). His company commander won the Medal of Honor. Both are Luftwaffe, both named...
M45
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Compare this helmet with the 3 color nomandy above. Paint is dull, flat, and worn. Notice the air vent with grime inside of it, to the left shows camo paint worn down to factory finish.
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Heer M40 camo helmet with chicken wire - Q64 ITEM K-9008
Descriptionratisbon's | Heer M40 camo helmet with chicken wire - Q64 | DISCOVER GENUINE MILITARIA, ANTIQUES & COINS
This is a very unique and rare M1940 German full basket camouflage chicken wire helmet. The helmet is an « Q64 » with an unreadable lot number. The helmet's exterior remains in its untouched
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This is a very unique and rare M1940 German full basket camouflage chicken wire helmet. The helmet is an « Q64 » with an unreadable lot number. The helmet's exterior remains in its untouched and undisturbed state. The helmet first received a camouflage with bright green and tan paint, then a very unique chicken wire type was applied on the helmet before being subsequently repainted with lightly sand textured dark blue paint. The camouflage paint is all over the chicken wire. The chicken wire shows nice patina and nice age being original to the helmet since the war. The camouflage paints rates in at approximately 85% and retains its original matte look and rough feel. Scuffs, scraps and paint loss around the helmet area are present. The split pins are complete, tightly attached to the helmet and retain their camouflage finish. The helmet's interior is in good worn condition. The leather liner is supple but missing its drawstring. The original late-war leather chinstrap is present, marked with the « RBNr ». The soldier’s name is engraved on the back skirt. This truly is a rare and unique untouched full basket camouflage chicken wire helmet. Helmets of this caliber in an untouched state are not often seen on the open market.
This helmet is published in the book: « Tarnfarben, Volume 1 » by Oliver Lock on page 28.
PRICE € 12.875,00
A recycled camo. An exotic greenish pattern can be seen on the rear shot in the damaged areas of the overpaint. I guess if the exotic camos are not selling, they can be remade into something more "believable ?" .
Of course, why go to all of the trouble removing the exotic pattern if all you want to do is slap it together and shove it out the door.
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M45
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New Ratisbons helmet stock in. Many exotic camos available. Prices range from 6K to approaching 10K.
It looks like they got hung up on the E 6,695 price for awhile.
If you are wondering what in the hell is happening to the hobby, you are not alone.
It looks like they got hung up on the E 6,695 price for awhile.
If you are wondering what in the hell is happening to the hobby, you are not alone.
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What would a Questionable Camos thread be without some original camos for comparison ? Notice dead, flat faded paint. Significant wear overall matching interior wear. Paint WORN DOWN to factory finish. No suspicious repetitive scratches. Looks like it had actually been in WWII, not camoed in the field and then placed in a time machine to arrive to us in the future bright and fresh and new looking.
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ratisbon's | Extremely rare M38 German paratrooper two-tone camouflage bailing wire helmet | DISCOVER GENUINE MILITARIA, ANTIQUES & COINS
A superb and extremely rare early M1938 German paratrooper two-tone camouflage baling wire combat helmet. It was found in the early 2000s in Rochefort, Belgium. The helmet is a « ET68 » with a
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Price for this M38 wire camo: E 77,250.00.
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