Questionable Camos

[mcorioles]

You still have not answered my questions.

1. Why are you giving all of the "analysis" you did if you agree the pics weren't good?( again intentionally done to see what you would do)

2. You should have said I need better pics,but no you go on to say the decal isn't a known decal.

3.How could you tell it should have been a no decal factory helmet?

Here you go.


Nirvana go back a few pages and read M45's detailed analysis of my helmet please.

 

[M45]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/et66-german-ww2-italian-camo-m42-helmet-shell-w

A replica turtle on Worthpoint. Looks pretty good. Not at all difficult to reproduce it appears. What if we started off with a fairly worn DD Luft M35 as our base, and then using some Afrika yellow paint, applied a turtle shell pattern, maybe copying a period photo ? After rattling around in our war chest for a few years, what would it look like ?

 

[mauser99]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/et66-german-ww2-italian-camo-m42-helmet-shell-w

A replica turtle on Worthpoint. Looks pretty good. Not at all difficult to reproduce it appears. What if we started off with a fairly worn DD Luft M35 as our base, and then using some Afrika yellow paint, applied a turtle shell pattern ?

I agree its a forgery of a well known and published original Randy owns.... Not too hard to replicate less so than a Normandy wood chip tricolor..

Yes they are out there and always will like any other fake item.... Most of us know that and the risks involved and how to avoid them.

 

[mauser99]

I agree its a forgery of a well known and published original Randy owns.... Not too hard to replicate less so than a Normandy wood chip tricolor..

Yes they are out there and always will like any other fake item.... Most of us know that and the risks involved and how to avoid them.

Oh, by the way. I was away for three day attending the Allentown show handled some great camo's finally had that coastal artillery "in hand" it's stunning and real as I said.. As well as the winter and others Dave Wyatt posted as I knew they would be.... Although M45 will still have doubts...

It's amazing how many guys came up to me and mentioned this thread and the nonsense going on here !!!! LOL

 

[nirvana]

LOL,M45 gets destroyed and the reclamation project is under way.

Are you for real?

I am very for real.

This is a very weak attempt.

Not really, it did what needed to be done, it proved the existence of a double standard..

You take an extreme and try to make it the norm.

Again, no. Its your OPINION of an extreme fake. I'm sure plenty of people would find it to be real, the same way that plenty of people would find some neon green turd covered in concrete to be real. "But its from NORWAY....ooooo....ahhh....it must be real."

Even you know it was fake.

I don't know it to be fake. I mean, its being sold as such. Who is to say that the seller isn't lying? I don't always believe sellers.

You did something that some people claim M45 isn't permitted to do. You did it, the posts are there, read them again. You all called the authenticity of a helmet based on internet pics. For some reason, other helmets cannot be called based on pictures, its not permissible and they need to be messed with hands on. Calling them fake based on pics is wrong.

However, in this case, in your OPINION, the helmet was a turd and didn't need a hands on examination. M45 does the same thing, the very same thing. He is just more risk averse and has different standards for what he considers to be absurd.

 

[mcorioles]

You did something that some people claim M45 isn't permitted to do. You did it, the posts are there, read them again. You all called the authenticity of a helmet based on internet pics. For some reason, other helmets cannot be called based on pictures, its not permissible and they need to be messed with hands on. Calling them fake based on pics is wrong.

However, in this case, in your OPINION, the helmet was a turd and didn't need a hands on examination. M45 does the same thing, the very same thing. He is just more risk averse and has different standards for what he considers to be absurd.

Did you read the posts where he totally bungled my non Camo M40?

???????

It's already been described to you by myself and Player 11


You continue this charade like you exonerated M45.



We already told you that POSSIBLY GOOD camos need a hands on before CERTAINTY.


That helmet you posted us one of the worst replicas I've ever seen.

I'll give you a clue.For one no attempt was even mad to age it or try to represent a 70 + helmet.

Come on man...........

 

[Player11]

An M40 Heer helmet with unknown Heer decal. Not an ET, Q, HJ&K, Pocher or reissue that I know of, so a possible fake.

Factories and Heer decals as I understand it:

ET: ET decal (some Wilhelm Abels)
SE: ET decal
Q: Q big foot (some ET, Wilhelm Abels, Pochers)
NS: Pocher (some Wilhelm Abels, ET, HJ&K)
EF: Pocher, ET, HJ&K (some gray lined Heer)

Sorry for coming back, but im still knocked with this, and im taking a lot of conclussions about this reply.

How, on earth, is possible that such an important author of such a "best seller" book about lot numbers, has not asked the lot nr of this M40, to check it in your " bible"?Guess that "book" may be used to check it when you have a doubt, isnt it?, it gives me two possibilities.

A- your book is not essential for this so you dont need it.
B- your book is a tale and must be threated like that, a tale.

I will take the B option. LOL!!!

 

[capt14k]

Both of them are absolutely 100 % real and original

Thank you for clarifying. I thought so but knowing so little I wasn't positive.

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[Player11]

Thank you for clarifying. I thought so but knowing so little I wasn't positive.

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you did well asking

 

[M45]

Oh, by the way. I was away for three day attending the Allentown show handled some great camo's finally had that coastal artillery "in hand" it's stunning and real as I said.. As well as the winter and others Dave Wyatt posted as I knew they would be.... Although M45 will still have doubts...

It's amazing how many guys came up to me and mentioned this thread and the nonsense going on here !!!! LOL

I'm glad you had a nice time at the show, Mauser. I don't at all doubt you saw loads of fantastically rare camos in excellent condition (many with a nice clear painted name I presume ?). After years of exotic camos basically drying up and rarely seen in recent decades, it's nice to know these things are suddenly pouring out of the woodwork and flooding forums and dealer's sites and shows. I've often dreamed of owning rare exotic camos like:

-painted white snow camos (turtle shell white, white with wavy stripes)
-multi-color KM coastal arty
-Mediterranean turtle shell
-DAK tan
-southern front tan
-Italian olive
-geometrics
-disruptives
-Normandy 3 color
-netted
-ghosted net
-chicken wire full basket
-chicken wire half basket
-baling wire
-ghosted wire
-Arnhem wild tiger stripe
-SS dot pattern
-leaf stenciled
-water pattern painted

and so on. But it's nice to know that all of these rare exotic treasures are coming to a forum/dealer's site/gun show near me : )

 

[Player11]

I'm glad you had a nice time at the show, Mauser. I don't at all doubt you saw loads of fantastically rare camos in excellent condition (many with a nice clear painted name I presume ?). After years of exotic camos basically drying up and rarely seen in recent decades, it's nice to know these things are suddenly pouring out of the woodwork and flooding forums and dealer's sites and shows. I've often dreamed of owning rare exotic camos like:

-painted white snow camos (turtle shell white, white with wavy stripes)
-multi-color KM coastal arty
-Mediterranean turtle shell
-DAK tan
-southern front tan
-Italian olive
-geometrics
-disruptives
-Normandy 3 color
-netted
-ghosted net
-chicken wire full basket
-chicken wire half basket
-baling wire
-ghosted wire
-Arnhem wild tiger stripe
-SS dot pattern
-leaf stenciled
-water pattern painted

and so on. But it's nice to know that all of these rare exotic treasures are coming to a forum/dealer's site/gun show near me : )

Lol!!! Knowing your knowledge in camo helmets lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll and even in decaled helmets now you are a joke, it's funny to read you.
Btw, for ignoring my replies don't think I'm going to stop,i see how you can't debate what i tell you about your book.
This is very funny !!!

 

[capt14k]

How were those last two turtle shells that M45 posted painted? Mainly how did they create the dark lines?

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[Bigdibbs88]

You did something that some people claim M45 isn't permitted to do. You did it, the posts are there, read them again. You all called the authenticity of a helmet based on internet pics. For some reason, other helmets cannot be called based on pictures, its not permissible and they need to be messed with hands on. Calling them fake based on pics is wrong.

However, in this case, in your OPINION, the helmet was a turd and didn't need a hands on examination. M45 does the same thing, the very same thing. He is just more risk averse and has different standards for what he considers to be absurd.

Nirvana- it's pretty simple and I've already explained it. Nowhere have any of us said "all camos need a hands on". In fact I'd ask you where you saw that posted anywhere in this thread? From what I've seen, the "opposition" has much less stringent rules, there are few absolutes. In contrast, m45 and puppet says they can make a call on ALL camos based on photos alone.

So I'll state again, bad forgeries are easy to spot based on photos. Many of the better forgeries (which are generally the only threats to anyone who has done more than 1 day of research) require an in hands many times.

 

[mcorioles]

Nirvana- it's pretty simple and I've already explained it. Nowhere have any of us said "all camos need a hands on". In fact I'd ask you where you saw that posted anywhere in this thread? From what I've seen, the "opposition" has much less stringent rules, there are few absolutes. In contrast, m45 and puppet says they can make a call on ALL camos based on photos alone.

So I'll state again, bad forgeries are easy to spot based on photos. Many of the better forgeries (which are generally the only threats to anyone who has done more than 1 day of research) require an in hands many times.

Exactly.Grasping at straws

 

[mcorioles]

How were those last two turtle shells that M45 posted painted? Mainly how did they create the dark lines?

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It's just the underlying feldgrau factory paint.

Also how you get a 2 tone or 3 tone Camo.

3 color- whole helmet done in tan first then whatever pattern of green and red over top.
2 color- tan base( usually) with either green or red.
3.have seen some with a green base with just tan over top

 

[capt14k]

It's just the underlying feldgrau factory paint.

Also how you get a 2 tone or 3 tone Camo.

3 color- whole helmet done in tan first then whatever pattern of green and red over top.
2 color- tan base( usually) with either green or red.
3.have seen some with a green base with just tan over top

That's what I thought. Which would mean it would have to be scraped off no? Since it doesn't look taped off. Wouldn't that take a lot of time and effort vs painting multiple colors on?

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[Player11]

Nirvana- it's pretty simple and I've already explained it. Nowhere have any of us said "all camos need a hands on". In fact I'd ask you where you saw that posted anywhere in this thread? From what I've seen, the "opposition" has much less stringent rules, there are few absolutes. In contrast, m45 and puppet says they can make a call on ALL camos based on photos alone.

So I'll state again, bad forgeries are easy to spot based on photos. Many of the better forgeries (which are generally the only threats to anyone who has done more than 1 day of research) require an in hands many times.

Bravo!!! Well said!

 

[mcorioles]

That's what I thought. Which would mean it would have to be scraped off no? Since it doesn't look taped off. Wouldn't that take a lot of time and effort vs painting multiple colors on?

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The Camo was painted on with a brush or dabbed on in this case.

If I misunderstood your post I apologize.

Not all camos were spray

 

[mcorioles]

Lol!!! Knowing your knowledge in camo helmets lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll and even in decaled helmets now you are a joke, it's funny to read you.
Btw, for ignoring my replies don't think I'm going to stop,i see how you can't debate what i tell you about your book.
This is very funny !!!

He won't answer my questions either???

 

[capt14k]

The Camo was painted on with a brush or dabbed on in this case.

If I misunderstood your post I apologize.

Not all camos were spray

I saw that it was brushed but was it a combination of brush and scraping? I would think using just a brush the lines left behind would be more defined. Just curious.

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