PTR44 Semi-Auto MP44
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Winchester Cowboy
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$7,999.99 for German MP44 PTR44 Semi-Auto 7.92x33 Kurz
Seller did real good, Buyer must have really wanted it.
sprat
Senior Member
glad I got in when I did, the prices folks are paying is ridiculous, everyone wants to join the ckub
d dAY dOG
Well-known member
Lots going on since I last checked the thread. Love the newly completed PTR/USA made/ Franken 44. Looks great !!! Also like the blond wood look for the stock. Hard to believe ppl are paying $8K for the PTR44 rifles. That's almost double what I paid for mine. But with the mods and extras I've bought, I'm almost ashamed to tell you what I paid for it (+ammo) -- it's been a lot more than I wanted, that's for sure. Thanks to Pete, mine is where I want it to be. He did a ton of mods to mine including the receiver fix, disconnector fix, canted front sight base, magazine fixes, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It shoots great and has only had 2 stove pipes occur out of 200+ rounds that I've shot since I got it back from him.
Pete - with the price of the semi PTRs now you should buy some of those old part kits that need a new receiver and throw it in to make some money. I know it's a LOT more involved than that, but I would think when you're done, they'd have to sell for at least the semi PTR price. I know MP43sniper sold a rebuilt semi about 7 years ago or so for around 5-6K -- and that's looking cheap now. I for sure would pay a good price for a semi with a new receiver from you. ... hint hint ...
As far as the other news ... it would be nice to see how the HMG guns fair. I wish them the best of luck, but their rifle is simply not my cup of tea. Ian's a cool guy but he caters to the ppl who send him the guns to test. I remember his review of the PTR made it sound stellar, but then when he and another guy review the HMG rifle, they pretty much degraded the PTR to below standards of HMG's version. I wasn't impressed by that.
Dog
Pete - with the price of the semi PTRs now you should buy some of those old part kits that need a new receiver and throw it in to make some money. I know it's a LOT more involved than that, but I would think when you're done, they'd have to sell for at least the semi PTR price. I know MP43sniper sold a rebuilt semi about 7 years ago or so for around 5-6K -- and that's looking cheap now. I for sure would pay a good price for a semi with a new receiver from you. ... hint hint ...
As far as the other news ... it would be nice to see how the HMG guns fair. I wish them the best of luck, but their rifle is simply not my cup of tea. Ian's a cool guy but he caters to the ppl who send him the guns to test. I remember his review of the PTR made it sound stellar, but then when he and another guy review the HMG rifle, they pretty much degraded the PTR to below standards of HMG's version. I wasn't impressed by that.
Dog
building?
Heard today from what I think is a reliable source that the franken MP's that were much ballyhooed are having issues that could preclude another showing at the SHOT show. Been no deliveries so far per my source. Feeding and function problems it's said. If I get beatup for repeating gossip, so be it. WTF? Sturmgewehrs shoot 8 Kurz, not 300 BO, .223 or 7.62X39 anyway. Change barrels, change proprietary mags, change bolts? Buy a AR if you want to do all that so you can shoot (cheaper??) ammo?
Just sayin.
Pete
Dunno about buying up any parts sets now Dog. Look at what they are going for! Working on things for guys versus producing finished guns for sale is a whole different deal. I'm not a production guy anyway. Boredum sets in quickly. Working through varied fixes on different guns is my thing.
Heard today from what I think is a reliable source that the franken MP's that were much ballyhooed are having issues that could preclude another showing at the SHOT show. Been no deliveries so far per my source. Feeding and function problems it's said. If I get beatup for repeating gossip, so be it. WTF? Sturmgewehrs shoot 8 Kurz, not 300 BO, .223 or 7.62X39 anyway. Change barrels, change proprietary mags, change bolts? Buy a AR if you want to do all that so you can shoot (cheaper??) ammo?
Just sayin.
Pete
mostpeople
Senior Member
So what's the story with these new ptr44's? Not a peep and you know I ain't buyin an HMG 44 in 7.62x39!! 
sprat
Senior Member
time will tell if he lifts the barrel ban and russian import ban
rumors have been circulating for years about the G-43's MP-40's and MP-44 still in russia who knows maybe just rumors
by then the SSD factory here in the US will be up and running and my MP-44 semi build will hit the range
rumors have been circulating for years about the G-43's MP-40's and MP-44 still in russia who knows maybe just rumors
by then the SSD factory here in the US will be up and running and my MP-44 semi build will hit the range
pitfighter
Senior Member
They seem like nice enough guys, out to make an American product.
My question is why?
The ONLY thing of any real significance to me about the MP44 is the historical importance of the Polte designed cartridge and it's effect on small arms design.
Everything else engineering wise has been (was) done better by Kalashnikov or Stoner.
The HMG would be an answer to a question no one has asked.
(If you're catering to a market that is too financially strapped to buy Kurz from Privi at $20 for 20, then making a firearm with a $2k+ price tag would seem foolish.)
ammo??
Good point re the ammo Pit. Was out today and guys at my club range were going through bunches of 5.56 and 7.62X39 shooting 6 or 7 hundred dollar AR's and AK's. I doubt they would want a 1800 or 2K rifle to do that. But then it is said HMG has paid pre orders for a large number of guns so who knows?
Pete
Good point re the ammo Pit. Was out today and guys at my club range were going through bunches of 5.56 and 7.62X39 shooting 6 or 7 hundred dollar AR's and AK's. I doubt they would want a 1800 or 2K rifle to do that. But then it is said HMG has paid pre orders for a large number of guns so who knows?
Pete
pitfighter
Senior Member
I wish them well - going against the status-quo out and starting any new-business takes guts.
Hope they prove me wrong.
Model
Senior Member
What Factory? Do you mean the SSD deal with another American builder that they can't seem to find. This B.S. has been going on for well over 5 years now.
It's funny SSD has product they what to sell in The U.S with no Factory and HMG has a Factory with (seemingly) no product to sell. LOL
bobby ricigliano
Well-known member
I think it is safe to say that whatever the impact, it will be an improvement on what the alternative would have been.
d dAY dOG
Well-known member
What Factory? Do you mean the SSD deal with another American builder that they can't seem to find. This B.S. has been going on for well over 5 years now.
It's funny SSD has product they what to sell in The U.S with no Factory and HMG has a Factory with (seemingly) no product to sell. LOL
LMAO Ditto. Maybe they should collaborate. LOL
GunKraut
Senior Member
What Factory? Do you mean the SSD deal with another American builder that they can't seem to find. This B.S. has been going on for well over 5 years now.
It's funny SSD has product they what to sell in The U.S with no Factory and HMG has a Factory with (seemingly) no product to sell. LOL
If HMG would have catered to the MP44 builders crowd instead of some AR15 cheap skates, I bet they could have made good money on the side selling MP44 stock ferrules (maybe $200 each) and receiver flats (worth $500 to me). In the meantime they could have brought their MP44 clone to maturity. Water under the bridge now.
Winchester Cowboy
Senior Member
What Factory? Do you mean the SSD deal with another American builder that they can't seem to find. This B.S. has been going on for well over 5 years now.
It's funny SSD has product they what to sell in The U.S with no Factory and HMG has a Factory with (seemingly) no product to sell. LOL
^^^
Could it be a parallel universe? LOL
flat picture
Looking at that picture of a HMG rec. stamping makes me think "wow, could have been made for a REAL MP44!!" Wasted effort as far as us fans of the real thing.
Pete
Looking at that picture of a HMG rec. stamping makes me think "wow, could have been made for a REAL MP44!!" Wasted effort as far as us fans of the real thing.
Pete
sprat
Senior Member
this is what I was trying to elaborate with the owner, only he pushed my buttons and I flew off. I am capitalist american business owner. I am all for someone starting a business and promoting a product. I even hope they succeed and find niche buyers
I just wont be one of them
d dAY dOG
Well-known member
How much ...
PTR44 at $7,999 bid ... so far. Any bets if it will sell for more than that ?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/608448610
Makes me wonder what I could sell mine for: hmm ...
1. PTR44 rifle (1500+ live rounds through it, 95% condition)
2. 8 Magazines -- 1 original WW2 "STG44" marked mag. (good+ condition); 1 "BD44" marked mag. from Germany; All other reproduction mags. (2 different types) modified to fit properly in the mag well.
3. ZF4 scope and mount with sun shade (F'n hard to find), rubber eye pc. and leather cover-- reproductions
4. RCBS 8mm Kurz reloading dies along with 1500 bullets pcs. and approximately 1500 or so empty brass
5. 2000 live PPU rounds
6. 250 live reloaded rounds (all reloaded per Hornady and/or PPU data)
7. Sling -- reproduction
8. Custom display box made with period correct screws and stenciling (not chinsy like the .22 cal. STG44 GSG box)
9. WW2 op rod fit to rifle
10. PTR44 op rod repaired (with new part from dingo)
11. WW2 ejector
12. WW2 extractor with spring
13. Extractor and spring -- reproductions from Recon
14. Take down tool -- reproduction
15. WW2 safety (spare)
16. WW2 hammer and spring (spares)
17. Firing pin -- reproduction (spare)
18. WW2 recoil spring (spare)
19. MP44 magazine pouches -- reproduction
20. WW2 disconnector (spare)
21. WW2 bolt - mod to fit my PTR44.
22. Rifle has been completely gone over by a extremely competent gunsmith (THE best) who has fixed the lower receiver metal grinding issue; safety; canted front sight post; adjusted rear sight post; fixed dust cover to open and shut better; grinded retaining pins to look better; fixed broken disconnector; fixed magazines to fit better in mag. well; checked proper head spacing; blah, blah, blah ...
PTR44 at $7,999 bid ... so far. Any bets if it will sell for more than that ?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/608448610
Makes me wonder what I could sell mine for: hmm ...
1. PTR44 rifle (1500+ live rounds through it, 95% condition)
2. 8 Magazines -- 1 original WW2 "STG44" marked mag. (good+ condition); 1 "BD44" marked mag. from Germany; All other reproduction mags. (2 different types) modified to fit properly in the mag well.
3. ZF4 scope and mount with sun shade (F'n hard to find), rubber eye pc. and leather cover-- reproductions
4. RCBS 8mm Kurz reloading dies along with 1500 bullets pcs. and approximately 1500 or so empty brass
5. 2000 live PPU rounds
6. 250 live reloaded rounds (all reloaded per Hornady and/or PPU data)
7. Sling -- reproduction
8. Custom display box made with period correct screws and stenciling (not chinsy like the .22 cal. STG44 GSG box)
9. WW2 op rod fit to rifle
10. PTR44 op rod repaired (with new part from dingo)
11. WW2 ejector
12. WW2 extractor with spring
13. Extractor and spring -- reproductions from Recon
14. Take down tool -- reproduction
15. WW2 safety (spare)
16. WW2 hammer and spring (spares)
17. Firing pin -- reproduction (spare)
18. WW2 recoil spring (spare)
19. MP44 magazine pouches -- reproduction
20. WW2 disconnector (spare)
21. WW2 bolt - mod to fit my PTR44.
22. Rifle has been completely gone over by a extremely competent gunsmith (THE best) who has fixed the lower receiver metal grinding issue; safety; canted front sight post; adjusted rear sight post; fixed dust cover to open and shut better; grinded retaining pins to look better; fixed broken disconnector; fixed magazines to fit better in mag. well; checked proper head spacing; blah, blah, blah ...
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