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DougB exposes "Champagne Rune" SS Decal Fraud and Adds a Coffin Nail to XRFacts

tjg79 did you really question the fuhrer of SS lids back then. No wonder your threads were locked lol. Also were you collecting them back 50s and 60s do you really know what too look for.

I'm wondering if I will be seeing the Great Kelly Hicks, aka the Fuhrer of SS lids and the God of collecting SS lids at next months Great Eastern show.
 
tjg79 did you really question the fuhrer of SS lids back then. No wonder your threads were locked lol. Also were you collecting them back 50s and 60s do you really know what too look for.

I'm wondering if I will be seeing the Great Kelly Hicks, aka the Fuhrer of SS lids and the God of collecting SS lids at next months Great Eastern show.

Yes, several of us raised questions about the integrity of the God of Lids, who published lid bibles, blessed lids, was infallible, and could do no wrong, about six years ago. The GB moderator protection of Hicks was bizarre. We were crossing a hidden line in the sand.

It's a lesson that validates the general rule that you should always follow the facts no matter where they lead. Hicks was the XRFacts pitchman and I thought that was odd, because Hicks had a vaulted reputation in the lid collecting community, yet he was directly involved in the XRF voodoo that I knew was bogus. As it turned out, Hicks was a perfect fit with the XRF crew.
 
The unexpurgated discussion on those issues is here. There is an obvious attempt to bury this and hope that it dies in circles of obvious toadies and cronies. The lack of universal support for inquiry, investigation, legal action, and even prosecution, shows me that helmet collecting, SS helmet collecting for sure, is at best sprinkled with those who would trade their ethics for trinkets and at worst habituated by petty, arrogant thieves and their accomplices. That's why their hobby is dying. They treat their new entrants as sheep to shear, not the future of their hobby. This is a defining moment for them and if the "old guard" of arrogant puffing toads are allowed to continue to dominate that hobby it is finished. The only ethics and propriety I see from their insiders is coming from DougB and his supporters. If the hobby does not rally around him then it is officially a moral and ethical sewer. These are my opinions.
 
Your right on the mark, Hambone! The "old boys klub" has proven itself corrupt and arrogant in the Shampain Ruin scandal. Even Kelly Hicks has shown to be an untrustworthy character. His responses are pathetic, which also are his cronies responses on WAF and Warrelics. The comments on forums and lack of action in order to back up the statements with evidence and hard facts is proof enough that Kelly Hicks is dishonest. He has been given ample possibility to come clean, as many has requested the helmets they speak of to be put up for scrutiny. The response is utter silence from Kelly Hicks.

DougB has returned from his period of absence from the forums and he seems determined to rattle the cage with the old boys klub. There will be more information in the new book on decals coming out next month, and Doug will write an article in a magazine this autumn. It seems that the hopes of Kelly Hicks, Bob Coleman and others that this would die down will be in vain. The German helmet collecting community is in real trouble, but there is hope that it can be set right. The only key to that is the who, when and how the Shampain Ruin scandal was made possible. If those who know what went down expose this, the community can cast of this ugly story and move on to a better future.

Maybe in the wake of the Shampain Ruin scandal, the fake camo helmet scandal might also be exposed?

One must allow oneself to hope for good things....
 
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The faker that made those champain ruine helmets most likely used his skills to produce other fakes to, I can't imagine that he restricted himself to faking Waffen SS helmets.
 
The faker that made those champain ruine helmets most likely used his skills to produce other fakes to, I can't imagine that he restricted himself to faking Waffen SS helmets.

That's the million dollar question that it seems many do not want to not see answered. Some because they may be implicated in crimes others because they fear their precious investments will be outed as worthless fakes.

Heer, Luftwaffe & KM decals are probably too hard to fake and the monetary return on the first two would not be great.

Most likely they faked camos - multi-color, DAK & winter - and simple but extremely rare and valuable decals like Spanish Blue Division & Legion Volontaire Francaise, etc.

At the rate the investigation is going it'll be years before the whole truth is uncovered if it is uncovered at all.
 
At the rate the investigation is going it'll be years before the whole truth is uncovered if it is uncovered at all.

I agree, and the reason we are refusing to let it die. I believe more may be forthcoming at GWH2. I believe the thread may be reopened. Certainly you can expect nothing from WAF and WR on this. What does that say? My opinion is that this fraud was so pervasive, so long lasting, involving so much money that there are many involved who don't want to see anymore boards kicked over to reveal more slimy things under them.
 
This is on DougB's profile page on GHW-2.


I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

http://www.ghw2.com/user/369-dougb/



What does it really mean ?
 

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This is on DougB's profile page on GHW-2.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
http://www.ghw2.com/user/369-dougb/

What does it really mean ?

It probably means that the waftarded like to take what you say and then re-spin it with what they say you meant in order to ridicule and silence opposing views. That is because their views are well, waftarded.
 



C-SS threads remain locked; the one on GHW-2 for over 3 months. Does anyone really hold out any hope that DougB (listed as ADMIN) is going to do anything to change that, especially after making strange statements like this:


I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - DougB


It sounds as if he is disavowing all responsibility for anything he has ever said (about C-SS), claiming in effect, to be bullet-proof. He is saying that regardless of what we have heard him say, we could never have known what he was THINKING at those times, thus we can never know what he really meant when he said it.
 
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I might think that he has other things going on butcould be getting all of the evidence and ducks in a row before any more revelations. Viewing the WAF stooges who blithered on and on for page after page trying to dissuade legal action to enforce a COA which was refused, and seeing the censorship and interference run to stop a complete discussion, it may be prudent to post an unassailable reveal. Compare with the savaging of ZAM when he dared to post that the shampain ruin was an airbrushed humper to DougB's complete and supported reveal.

IMHO, there could be some "inner circle" ox gorings by an investigation of all this, which requires solid information. Just my opinions......
 
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Compare with the savaging of ZAM when he dared to post that the shampain ruin was an airbrushed humper to DougB's complete and supported reveal.

IMHO, there could be some "inner circle" ox gorings by an investigation of all this, which requires solid information. Just my opinions......



Recall that early criticisms of C-SS by members such as ZAM, Walter B. and myself with lot# research were in the beginning not well received by Doug, who gave the appearance of being completely taken in by the forgery as evidenced by his archived statements such as "plenty of period photographic evidence" supporting C-SS and his detailed magnified analysis describing C-SS as having "clear period pulver and base construction". The move to heavily scrutinize C-SS was not originally Doug's and he therefore should not, IMO, receive full credit for its unmasking.

Doug merely saw the way the wind was blowing with C-SS and so began to very gradually change his 'opinions' to conform to this new way of thinking (founded by others, not himself). Archived posts show him reluctantly giving ground in some areas (namely, late CKL M42s with high lot#s) while continuing to take firm stands in others (namely, his "vet acquired" M42 hkp C-SS helmets in a tight lot# cluster). Only after buying the lot# book did his complete 'expos-e' of C-SS come about.

The repeated, lengthy closures of C-SS threads elsewhere illustrate that, IMO, mere citizens are incapable of getting to the bottom of this fraud.
 
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Recall that early criticisms of C-SS by members such as ZAM, Walter B. and myself with lot# research were in the beginning not well received by Doug, who gave the appearance of being completely taken in by the forgery as evidenced by his archived statements such as "plenty of period photographic evidence" supporting C-SS and his detailed magnified analysis describing C-SS as having "clear period pulver and base construction". The move to heavily scrutinize C-SS was not originally Doug's and he therefore should not, IMO, receive full credit for its unmasking.

Doug merely saw the way the wind was blowing with C-SS and so began to very gradually change his 'opinions' to conform to this new way of thinking (founded by others, not himself). Archived posts show him reluctantly giving ground in some areas (namely, late CKL M42s with high lot#s) while continuing to take firm stands in others (namely, his "vet acquired" M42 hkp C-SS helmets in a tight lot# cluster). Only after buying the lot# book did his complete 'expos-e' of C-SS come about.

The repeated, lengthy closures of C-SS threads elsewhere illustrate that, IMO, mere citizens are incapable of getting to the bottom of this fraud.

I respectfully disagree. I have disagreed with DougB before too. I like him personally and "professionally" from the standpoint of what he has done. We have disagreed on things and will likely continue to do so, but I respect his opinions and integrity. It is far easier to doggedly ride an opinion down than change one publicly. He did much more than that. He changed positions and went to great expense, trouble, and spent a great amount of time putting together a definitive expose of the whole "Champagne Rune" fraud. He refunded on one he sold. Without his efforts there would be little more than censored forum posts which no one would see.

I think also that true integrity and transparency in the German helmet collecting hobby is just now emerging. In my opinion, too many "big shots" are at a minimum embarrassed (or should be) and at a maximum, culpable and involved. Thus, this is going to spool out slowly and controlled. It's not like K98k collecting on the internet as we have it here. Hopefully it will get that way.
 
ED exposed (yet again)

Hi Hambone,

Thank you for the link. It exposes ED as a faker of camo helmets. It seems from the available information that he is possibly the "father" of the Shampain Ruin fakes. He is supposedly been making these with the airbrushed "decal" since the seventees, but stopped a decade ago. This is probably the reason that no new Shampain Ruins have come "out of the woodwork" the last years. It is the same helmets ciculating, many with Kelly Hicks COA.

Since he is already previously exposed as a faker of camo helmets, this validates the claim that there is a high probability of an even bigger scandal in the camo collecting field compared to the Shampain Ruin scandal. ED seems to take original helmets and enhance them to "exotic freshies" and selling them on ebay and his own site (see Hamone's link for details). I have established what I deem a healthy scepiscism for camo helmets originating out of the US.

What is more disturbing, is that he was qouted in the acknowledgements of "SS-Steel" by Kelly Hicks (not in my copy, which is the revised version). I do find it interesting that ED's name is no longer in Kelly's book if this is the case. He is also given very positive remarks in the feedback section on his ebay profile "steelhelmet" by Ken N. So how can an outed faker have such ties to two of the major players in the field of german helmets? It seems that ED's name was edited out in the last update of "SS-Steel". Wonder why...?! Something is not right here IMO.

It is just to read the thread on WAF and other places to start collecting the threads to a possible sinister truth...
 
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So how can an outed faker have such ties to two of the major players in the field of german helmets? Something is not right here IMO.


Because he sells them originals too, they need him as a source for their own collections.
 
Hi Peter,

I fixed my post again. It is now almost identical to what I initially wrote.
 
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I would like to change my opinion that "integrity and transparency may be emerging in the German helmet collecting hobby." They are not. I do not believe DougB is connected to GHW any longer and as a result, neither it nor WAF wants to get to the bottom of the Great Champagne Rune Fraud. Better for business as usual to not investigate and identify the culprits, players, and distribution network. It's disgusting really and they've assured that hobby's demise IMHO.

If something like this, with this long of a timeline, at these monetary amounts, with this number of connections inspires no outrage, no investigation, no shakeout, then what does that say about the stewards of that hobby? There are some things more important than swastika festooned trinkets.
 
DougB erased from GHW2 history

Hi Hambone,

I just learned the awful truth about the removal of DougB from GHW2. His account has dissapeared in its entirety (almost, as quotes from his posts still exists in other peoples posts). Either he has himself asked to be removed from GHW2, or he has been removed against his own will. Since he was an forum admin up to at least two days ago makes me think the latter rather than the former. I noticed as his avatar was no longer on my friend list. This also means that the thread "Mythbusting the Champagne rune decal" is now gone from GHW2. This is shocking to say the least.

Also, a respected collector named David C. was also removed a couple days ago. It almost seem that there is some sort of shakedown ongoing at GHW2. Wonder who is next...??

I guess that Hobo and myself could potentially be targets as we are here discussing this scandal on the K98K forum. Lets see what happens. I do not believe that the "Champagne rune discussion" thread will ever be reopened now with these disturbing change of events at GHW2. I must admit that I am a bit shocked that this is being surpressed in the manner that seems to be.

I think sadly that you are correct that this will never be fully exposed at all, except for here at this forum were one does not censor, ban or delete members.
 
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Well that's just dandy!! Finally someone exposed the emperor's new clothes and look what happened. Maybe DougB was simply tired of all the drama, but I suspect that the new powers at GHW2 are just going to turn it into another WAF. I would hope these folks would offer us an explanation, but failing that I will no longer be a contributing member. The conversation here at least is honest.
Cheers,
Mike
 

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