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Hi !
The first drawing is from Gewehr 98, the second karabiner. The missing dimensions, this is not quite right as it has been discussed earlier. If we look at the table, we find BL.1, which means it is the first page, so there is a second page.
 
Glad to see a Spooner reference!

The question mark dimension is 34mm driven by the dimensions in the section view J-K-L Page 2 drawing. The 18mm dimension is the important one, driving the headspace relationship with the barrel shank. The safety lug is a relatively unimportant dimension, once you account for the tolerance and clearance, you will see it is a wide open dimension.

Ignore the 12.6 dimension, and frankly, ignore the drawing you referenced from Storz. The k98k drawings Bruce shared are a more modern layout, and more pertinent to your work dimensioning the model. The Storz drawing isn't the way things are done today, and there are a lot of reasons why. The drawings provided by Bruce are dimensioned in relationships to what is relevant, in a manner that is useful in manufacturing in a modern way.
Thank you, on revisiting the documents I realized I wasn't looking at one of the blue sheets and the dimensions are included. One value that is not however, is the diameter of the threaded area for the barrel shank, or at least for my purposes. I intend to not include any threading in the model, partially for computational resources and more reliable transfer, and partially so that if it is manufactured then the model's use is not constrained to the weird whitworth threads. Referencing "The Mauser Bolt Actions, M91 through M98, A Shop Manual", I got a major diameter of threads of 1.1"/27.94mm from the thread callout. The drawings specify the bore as being 28mm in diameter, I assumed was the major diameter of the internal threads when tapped. Should I instead reference clearance sheets, probably from the Machinist's Handbook, and then use the dimension I arrive at from that?

Currently, I have calculated the minor diameter as being approx 27.6889mm. I could also use this as the internal diameter, which was my original plan yesterday. Attached is the current sketch that will be used as a revolved cut for the locking shoulders and "shank area" of the foreend infrastructuren(note: all dimensions are mm). What do you think? Alternatively, if I am just being an idiot and missing its callout somewhere, send a scorn.

Another note from the Shop Manual. It specifies the internal hardness and the case hardness, and from those I was able to approximate the material properties needed. Given that, at least I, do not have the funds to forge this, the most optimal material that I have identified for use is 4130 Ultrahigh strength steel, mostly because it can be hardened to match the original specifications. Sadly the shop manual doesn't have the average grain size of the receivers analyzed, so I cannot be more precise with the yield strength and instead I just have to go off the ultimate tensile strength. I still need to look into how 4130 carburizes, and I might swap the materials out depending on cost and ease of machining/heat treating to be machined, but this is how far I've gotten. I'll also need to look into impact resistance, though I cannot see it being that big of an issue outside of specifying the surface quality. Who knows, I'll have a proper income here soon and that might enable me to hack a receiver apart and measure the observed grain sizes at different depths for at least one original(highly pitted and unusable) receiver.

Thank you again for your help.
 

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I will post up the 2nd receiver scan.
I have both BL.1 and BL.2
You posted both previously in post #5
Alternatively, if I am just being an idiot and missing its callout somewhere, send a scorn.
I don't think your being an idiot, but the thread specs are called out in the top right corner of page 2.

You've got a long way to go before you need to worry about what material to use. Happy to have that discussion with you once you get there. Any modern fine grained steel is suitable, some are better than others depending on a number of factors. I have plenty of receivers that have been hacked apart, OES tested, and a few that can be sent out for metallographic imagining, though you may want to price some of those services before deciding to do them, they are $$$.

Some of this may pique your interest:
 
You posted both previously in post #5

I don't think your being an idiot, but the thread specs are called out in the top right corner of page 2.

You've got a long way to go before you need to worry about what material to use. Happy to have that discussion with you once you get there. Any modern fine grained steel is suitable, some are better than others depending on a number of factors. I have plenty of receivers that have been hacked apart, OES tested, and a few that can be sent out for metallographic imagining, though you may want to price some of those services before deciding to do them, they are $$$.

Some of this may pique your interest:
I have access to, and know kinda, how to do metallographic imagining. A hacked apart piece of receiver would be allowable almost certainly to be used in it.

Also, I am making real good progress now. Almost certainly have them incorrect, but I've been experimenting with making the camming surfaces. The images attached are the top and bottom locking shoulders. Going to log off for the night, will get back onto it tomorrow. The only real uncertainty I have now is in the top shoulder's camming surface. I think I have the technique down at least now. The camming surface for the bolt handle is giving me trouble, but that is mostly down to the order in which I added the features I think, going to ruminate on how to do it tonight.
 

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Glad to see a Spooner reference!

The question mark dimension is 34mm driven by the dimensions in the section view J-K-L Page 2 drawing. The 18mm dimension is the important one, driving the headspace relationship with the barrel shank. The safety lug is a relatively unimportant dimension, once you account for the tolerance and clearance, you will see it is a wide open dimension.

Ignore the 12.6 dimension, and frankly, ignore the drawing you referenced from Storz. The k98k drawings Bruce shared are a more modern layout, and more pertinent to your work dimensioning the model. The Storz drawing isn't the way things are done today, and there are a lot of reasons why. The drawings provided by Bruce are dimensioned in relationships to what is relevant, in a manner that is useful in manufacturing in a modern way.
Thanks Fal! Love to see fellow gun enthusiasts also into engineering and design! I don't get much of that with the AK crew haha.

On topic, for my scope mount project, I had to replace the recoil lug so it was studded on both sides. I used 4130 and specified a hardness of 37-44 HRC. Does anyone have the original drawing/know the actual spec for this? I also couldn't find any information on the thread, so I guessed M7 since I got a measurement of about 6.5mm, but it was definitely not right. I still got it to fit through my stock, but my custom nut is not compatible with the original. Is it actually a 1/4" thread on the original? Otherwise I've never heard of an M6.5 thread...Keep up the good work guys!

And if anyone needs help modeling the stock, I have some good techniques that I figured out by torturing myself modeling it over 13 times until I got it right...My help is only good in SolidWorks though.
 
Took a break from the receiver, worked on the bolt. Here is a link where you can download the step model. Pretty sure I got it correct according to the documents. https://grabcad.com/library/mauser-98-bolt-body-2

Will work on a set of engineering papers with the tolerances that are in the drawings.
 

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Just wanted to make absolutely sure that the radii used on the bolt tracks are correct. The drawing file is hard to read and I was a bit confused until I noticed that the right channel has a smaller diameter after approx 2/3 of its travel path.
 

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Dave I will scan both the firing pin and bandspring as requested.
I will add them to the main image threads.
 
Hello,
The drawings look really nice! How did you manage to find/get them if i may ask?
Do you also have the safety latch and the sear?
 

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