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"Late war" Krieghoffs

Ryan,
I roughly cleaned it today in a way that it won't get any worse, unless someone is going to dump it again in water. Attached are new pictures I did of it. They show basically all markings that I could find. Note the huge amount of acceptance stamps anywhere to be found. Even the ejector has a small serial atop on it, also safety flag and as I had already mentioned, the takedown lever. The toggle (I think that is the correct English term?) even is serialized on the inside as well as on the very rear, so twice.
 

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Last few pictures. I hope they help, while I know these currently confuse you more than help you establish your theory. But maybe the outcome will profit once you find something that makes sense, including this one.
 

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Appreciate the photos!

Just as an aside, the British Imperial War Museum seems to have MG15 4057-39 and 4058-39 which are apparently HK. They have no pics, but mention one having the HK trademark on it. Assuming that is the case, it seems HK reset their serial numbers to 1 in 1939 when the Luftwaffe introduced the date to the SNs on all MG15s.
 
I still know a MG15 from an aircraft that is Krieghoff made. Never bothered on MGs, but if you let me know on what I should pay attention to I might somewhen have another chance to..
 
Absolut said:
I still know a MG15 from an aircraft that is Krieghoff made. Never bothered on MGs, but if you let me know on what I should pay attention to I might somewhen have another chance to..
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Basically the SN and the acceptance on the right side.

But I have proof I think of the SN change I talked about. Two L.O. Dietrich guns, 21513 from January 1940 and 9280-40 dated June 1940. Seems Dietrich dragged their feet on implementing the Luftwaffe directive, but they definitely reset their SNs sometime during 1940.
 

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Frysk said:

In this video he talks about a gun collection that was ruined by floods.
Same could have happened with this one..!
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That collection got ruined by Katrina. It belonged to a former elder in the hobby. They are all spread to the wind again. Will see how collectors can recreate these old collections in the future.
 
We shouldn't have all the fun on the luger site so here are some interesting examples.
Wrong gun . Will fix later
 
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My naive mind brings up this thought about so many HK pistols with matching mags:
Mauser, DWM & Erfurt (Imperial, the two) P.08s were issued largely to the Army. They were used heavily. Therefore magazines dropped during reloads, swapped during cleanings, etc.
HK P08s were issued to the Luftwaffe. Some airmen carried them into combat in their planes but, how many were used in anger? Therefore far less chance of mags being lost or swapped by mistake.
Perhaps this thinking has a hole in it but, just my thinking.
Also, what percentage of the HK pistols were actually issued.

I do not have the knowledge to comment on fakery or SNs. As far as I got into Krieghoff collecting was buying Gibson’s book…which I intend to sell.
 
Absolut said:
Got this one today. All matching numbers (for all parts left) 1942 dating Krieghoff 08 with a high 11.8xx serial. I assume the condition can assure you that it is original WWII period. Took the pics prior to cleaning to make sure you see it the same way I got it.

Taking it apart was quite a task, everything stuck as you can guess. But possible. Rubbed it a bit with oil, looks much better right now. Even takedown lever and side plate are still matching numbers on the inside. Might do some more pics later. For whatever reason pic #4 is not uploading, but since this anyway is only a closeup of right toggle acceptance I assume I simply might leave it out.

Edit: I of course only bought it to show it to you in here! You owe me now the price for it. Do you want to pay by cash or can send a sixpack beer? 🤪
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This is very interesting. I do have Mr. Gibson's book and more, but the discussion's here are a great learning experience. I at one time owned a 1943 HK that had a lower serial # (113xx)than the posted 1942 HK. I must find the pictures and post them
 
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Good day; I was new and very unknowing at the time of owning this HK, Still scratching my head when i look at the pictures. I trust my Simson/Suhl more than the HK. I guess still unknowing on this one. lol
 
CHRYCO said:
View attachment 405787View attachment 405786View attachment 405785View attachment 405784View attachment 405774View attachment 405764Pictures of the HK 1943 that is long gone. Had walnut grip panels and blued Mauser mag N.M.
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Do you have pics of bottom of barrel markings?
If yes, I would be willing to bet the damaged E2 stamp in middle on right receiver is on bottom of barrel.
Also willing to bet it and the barrel gauge are through the blue.
IF it had a matching mag the same damaged E2 stamp would be on it.

The barrel may or may not have a smaller parts acceptance E2.
Just like the postwar assembled guns.

Beware on HK mags as in the mid 90's there was a major influx of decent fakes. Same time frame for the 1916- 1917 "navy" fakes.
The fake mags can be spotted easily if you know what to look for.

Wooden grips on HK guns are not rare and are probably a result of owners swapping out the cheap plastic grips.
Black grips on a 1943 would be pretty crappy looking anyway.

Many 1941- 1942 guns in the 117xx and 118xx range.
Many 1943 guns in the 113xx to 116xx range.
Many 1944 guns in the 112xx range.

This makes no sense but if you examine honest examples, you will see the deterioration date wise through to the postwar assembled guns.

BTW double struck and or poorly done stamps on HK guns is pretty normal.

If 11331 Is for sale send me a PM.
 
Thank you for the details. I gather it is a good one then? IT is long gone. Always questioned the HALO around the HK logo. Never seen bevore. Books or otherwise. Sticking with the SIMSON. Jury out on HK. No Bbl. pics
 
I wouldn't dare to call it good or bad one, especially not based on the few old pictures. The post from 1933 Ford Nut once again shows why I'm way too little knowledgeable on Krieghoff pistols and encourage me to stay off those, unless they fly in at reasonable price (and why I only have so little of them). You can never be sure with what you get, as this thread keeps reminding me!

PS: Like the Simson stuff myself too, but only have one Simson 08. Had posted it here, if you have not seen it: https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/my-first-simson-with-two-matching-numbers-mags.44140/
 
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