Awesome! What's the date on the liner band?
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Awesome! What's the date on the liner band?
jack944
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Now that is funny
Now that is funny....I guess he would be Ok with just one....
I'd give Hambones right testicle for a ventless M42, I've never had a chance to buy one. Welcome aboard Brian! I think you recently sold a bunch of late M42's on ebay? If that was you there were some nice ones!
Now that is funny....I guess he would be Ok with just one....
M45
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Ryan, thanks! Thats the photo I was thinking about, with Bundesarchiv number and I believe a March 1945 date, it is worn by a Hitler Youth member during training by regular army.
basile, nice find! It looks like an ET/CKL helmet. Do you know the lot number?
In any event, you've sold me on the color of the helmet. However, it looks to me like an overpaint. Was it a feldgrau overpainted in this brown? But if so, how would it get the oval ink stamp? I own a camo overpaint in a similar mustard brown color, original vet bringback helmet, but it's an overpainted M.40. Very unusual helmet. What's the back story? Additional pics?
HB, it looks like a factory finish with the underside being painted first (I'm thinking this is the way most factory helmets were painted), then the exterior was painted, with a bit of paint buildup on the underside rim (last photo). The exterior may have been a slightly different shade as well. This helmet came from Collector to Collector Militaria, Bob Iqbal-great guy. One of his associates had been after this vet-owned helmet for years and finally got it. It was posted for sale on Bob's website about 2 years ago I believe.
I have found that online collector's forums (owners/mods) are basically one of two types:
--those who place the hobby above themselves, and those who place themselves above the hobby.
basile, nice find! It looks like an ET/CKL helmet. Do you know the lot number?
In any event, you've sold me on the color of the helmet. However, it looks to me like an overpaint. Was it a feldgrau overpainted in this brown? But if so, how would it get the oval ink stamp? I own a camo overpaint in a similar mustard brown color, original vet bringback helmet, but it's an overpainted M.40. Very unusual helmet. What's the back story? Additional pics?
HB, it looks like a factory finish with the underside being painted first (I'm thinking this is the way most factory helmets were painted), then the exterior was painted, with a bit of paint buildup on the underside rim (last photo). The exterior may have been a slightly different shade as well. This helmet came from Collector to Collector Militaria, Bob Iqbal-great guy. One of his associates had been after this vet-owned helmet for years and finally got it. It was posted for sale on Bob's website about 2 years ago I believe.
I have found that online collector's forums (owners/mods) are basically one of two types:
--those who place the hobby above themselves, and those who place themselves above the hobby.
Basile, that's cool. What are the stampings in it? Where did you find it, i.e., country?
Tjg, that's what's had me scratching my head.
Having the ventless feldgrau next to the brown M42 accentuates the difference! Man, that's interesting. I've never seen one like that. The ventless finish is clearly wartime, as is the color. It's a natural progression to that Vopo type, don't remember the technical design name for it.
What do you think that brown color is Brian?
What do you think that brown color is Brian?
tjg79
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I think it's silly that anyone would seek out and pay for a COA from an exspurt collector on anything. There are people that have a very good eye and possess the knowledge to give a respected opinion, but they aren't infallible and shouldn't be selling COAs. The best opinion is a consensus of opinions based on excellent digital pics obtained for free from the forums. There may be a group of exspurts on one particular forum that say legit, but there may be another forum with knowledgeable collectors that prove them wrong.
I think that it's respectable for a lid seller to offer a lifetime guarantee, but I don't think that same seller should offer lid COAs on helmets that he doesn't sell. A lifetime guarantee and a COA are not the same. XRFacts cofounder Kelly Hicks comes to mind. He was blaimed for all the bogus XRFacts COAs.
M45
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I'm thinking the brown helmet was a special factory order for the SA/FHH guard and shipped with no decals. The example in Baer was factory brown with brown reissue paint prior to the two FHH decals.
That ventless is called M45-B due to the M44 liner (L. Baer p.388). It is dome stamped. I'm told it came from the Dresden Museum haul after the wall came down. It may have been one of the last incarnations of Steel Helmet 35. The liner has thick, low grade cowhide (an import?) and the 3 'V' clips with slots that eliminated the need for slotted washers.
It is interesting that you mention the VOPO, as I believe the DDR copied alot from the TR era (not just jet aircraft and rockets) but also the B/II to M56 DDR and the dark green paint.
(I'm looking for a DDR M54 KVP helmet if anyone knows of one for sale)
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Turbo Archie
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I passed on one for $500 because I was told it was fake...
Looked just like the gray "sandy" one posted.
But hey, what are friends for....
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M45
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M42 q64 dn 538 1943 drp band
I hope you guys like this ultra-late depot reissue as much as I do.
Factory rough texture green gray underneath black overpaint. Underside rim also painted with a bit of the paint on the liner.
Chinstraps sewn directly onto chinstrap bales.
Buckle fabricated from a chinstrap bale that had roller and prong attached with gray paint.
Unusual liner string. Liner media appears to be a type of synthetic leather and was fashioned from a thin, rolled material. Although the media is unusual, it appears to have been worked at a liner factory due to the die stamping, typical stitching and size inkstamp.
I hope you guys like this ultra-late depot reissue as much as I do.
Factory rough texture green gray underneath black overpaint. Underside rim also painted with a bit of the paint on the liner.
Chinstraps sewn directly onto chinstrap bales.
Buckle fabricated from a chinstrap bale that had roller and prong attached with gray paint.
Unusual liner string. Liner media appears to be a type of synthetic leather and was fashioned from a thin, rolled material. Although the media is unusual, it appears to have been worked at a liner factory due to the die stamping, typical stitching and size inkstamp.
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M45
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Mr Farb, if you have been in the hobby awhile, I'm sure you have seen them, but they typically have green-gray or slate gray overpaint (blue gray for Luftwaffe). Decals may be painted around or painted over. Sometimes a reissue decal will be applied on top of the new brush or sprayed on paint.
Late in the war, I believe there was a dark green reissue color used. This black reissue may have been one of the last reissues during the TR era, at a time when paint was in very short supply and black was about the only color left.
These are some dark green reissues.
Late in the war, I believe there was a dark green reissue color used. This black reissue may have been one of the last reissues during the TR era, at a time when paint was in very short supply and black was about the only color left.
These are some dark green reissues.
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M45
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Wolf, yes I have seen those two before. Very nice ND in Slate? gray and both 64cm!. It is interesting how quist was still producing the M40 late into the war.
I like your Luft helmets, tanker and mauser. I would say they are both NS manufacture by the birds being so high up on the shell close to the airvents.
I picked up this NS66 recently. A no-decal with a very dark green factory finish.
I like your Luft helmets, tanker and mauser. I would say they are both NS manufacture by the birds being so high up on the shell close to the airvents.
I picked up this NS66 recently. A no-decal with a very dark green factory finish.
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