they're 170, not 198 grain
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they're 170, not 198 grain
Intruder196
Senior Member
That's fine with me. I'm going to work up a 170 grain load anyways. I have a bunch of bullets in that weight already. A few more wont hurt. Some are pulled from duds of original 178 grain 8mm ammo. I'll pm you.
agalland
Well-known member
How in the hell did they get it so wrong..?
I mean c'mon...its 8-fukn-mm..how many ba-zillion rds of that have been made over the years.
And it doesnt sound like it was just a couple of boxes...seems like it was a lot...didnt anybody @ the plant try to chamber an occaisional round in a spec jig..?
WTF...?
DaveDavis
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Intruder196
Senior Member
I was thinking the same thing. The Romanians made good 8mm ammo for their military (at least none of the rounds I have shot either failed to chamber, failed to fire or failed to eject) but got it so wrong trying to make some commercially for sale? Did somebody take measurements of a spent case and decide that was the spec?
Does anybody know what the gun laws are like in Romania? I'm just wondering if they sell it in country and if so how they manage with complaints. Or is this just purely an export of theirs?
Blame the im,porter!
Blame the importers for not doing quality control lot inspections at time of purchase. And then verifying QC when the ammo arrives off the boat and is released from US customs here in the US.
Any licensed ammo importer into the US worth his salt is going to insure quality control... or risk many lawsuits! And the only way that ammo got into the US was through an ammo importer.
The importers KNOW what they are buying as it is in the contract agreement, whether it is new manufacture, surplus MILSPEC (to which MILSPEC standard?), or "scrap" ammo that is only to be sold for components.
What the initial importer says / sells to the distributors who then take possession of the ammo in the US is a different story!
But remember, if it is surplus (out of date or out of spec or not kept in proper storage) from a foreign govt./military... that foreign military got rid of it for a reason.
Example:
Years ago, Century International brought a large quantity of Israeli IMI 9mm ammo into the US. The "surplus" ammo was stored out in the desert sun... and rain... and cold... and then was acid washed to remove the tarnish on the brass, or some was tumbled in some media to remove the tarnish/corrosion.
Century sent out letters to the distributors telling them to get the ammo back from customers because the powder in the ammo was changed (and the brass weakened) due to the environmental exposure and to the "cleaning" (a number of firearms were damaged when using that ammo!) They ended up re-imbursing all of us dealers/distributors and made us sign wavers say that we would break-down the ammo for the components.
I could go on and on about certain lots of bad (British, Indian, Israeli, Czech, Canadian) "surplus" ammo over the years...
Blame the importers for not doing quality control lot inspections at time of purchase. And then verifying QC when the ammo arrives off the boat and is released from US customs here in the US.
Any licensed ammo importer into the US worth his salt is going to insure quality control... or risk many lawsuits! And the only way that ammo got into the US was through an ammo importer.
The importers KNOW what they are buying as it is in the contract agreement, whether it is new manufacture, surplus MILSPEC (to which MILSPEC standard?), or "scrap" ammo that is only to be sold for components.
What the initial importer says / sells to the distributors who then take possession of the ammo in the US is a different story!
But remember, if it is surplus (out of date or out of spec or not kept in proper storage) from a foreign govt./military... that foreign military got rid of it for a reason.
Example:
Years ago, Century International brought a large quantity of Israeli IMI 9mm ammo into the US. The "surplus" ammo was stored out in the desert sun... and rain... and cold... and then was acid washed to remove the tarnish on the brass, or some was tumbled in some media to remove the tarnish/corrosion.
Century sent out letters to the distributors telling them to get the ammo back from customers because the powder in the ammo was changed (and the brass weakened) due to the environmental exposure and to the "cleaning" (a number of firearms were damaged when using that ammo!) They ended up re-imbursing all of us dealers/distributors and made us sign wavers say that we would break-down the ammo for the components.
I could go on and on about certain lots of bad (British, Indian, Israeli, Czech, Canadian) "surplus" ammo over the years...
tsmgguy
Senior Member
When you say "hard stop" does that mean that the bolt will slide home but you cannot rotate/lock the bolt handle?
Do you have any other 8mm ammo that you could try?
Second the motion: The Romanian surplus I've tried has been reliable though not particularly accurate nor clean.
If a rifle is a dead mint collectible, then by all means I won't shoot it. If it's merely really nice, I will shoot it. Firing of and by itself should not harm any well designed, well made firearm. This notion that you somehow have to "save" the gun only means that you pass a nice gun along to someone else after you're gone or when you sell it, without having enjoyed it to the maximum.
Laminated WWII German wooden stocks with dark or reddish colored glue are among the strongest ever made, because of the beech wood and resorcinol glue used. Unless the stock is obviously damaged or has been soaked in water or oil, you won't harm it by handling or use. The glue actually got stronger with age, as is its nature.
Do you have any other 8mm ammo that you could try?
Second the motion: The Romanian surplus I've tried has been reliable though not particularly accurate nor clean.
If a rifle is a dead mint collectible, then by all means I won't shoot it. If it's merely really nice, I will shoot it. Firing of and by itself should not harm any well designed, well made firearm. This notion that you somehow have to "save" the gun only means that you pass a nice gun along to someone else after you're gone or when you sell it, without having enjoyed it to the maximum.
Laminated WWII German wooden stocks with dark or reddish colored glue are among the strongest ever made, because of the beech wood and resorcinol glue used. Unless the stock is obviously damaged or has been soaked in water or oil, you won't harm it by handling or use. The glue actually got stronger with age, as is its nature.
Yes, it was a failure on more than one level with the QC. The bad ammo was head stamped SADU 13 (2013?) on the stuff I received. I compared one of the rounds of the new 170 gr. bad ammo to a Romanian 1970's surplus round (head stamp 22 73) and the overall length is shorter on the bad ammo. I thought the Romanian surplus was also 170 gr. as I recall. Did they seat the bullet too deep and deform the neck slightly?
Photos below show 1970's surplus(left) and the "new" commercial stuff.
Photos below show 1970's surplus(left) and the "new" commercial stuff.
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yes, the bolt would not rotate past about 2 o'clock. Tried different ammo and all is well. Shot it today, cleaned it and put it up. Agreed on your note about enjoying your guns. I think about any gun made in the 1900's should be shootable if that is what you decide to do. I have some CW and pre-1900 lever actions I won't shoot just because I don't want to tear them down to clean them. I like the old dirt in the crevices!
agalland
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sprat
Senior Member
if the rifle is as nice and original as c mountain says i wish he would not shoot it, but its his rifle. I hate reading posts where some guy had!!!!!!! to take granddad luger to the range cause he just had to shoot it. he had too mind you and was not concerned when it got scratched up by the staples and the shooting bench or the p-38 that had the slide separate etc.
six pages and MY 66 coupe had the answer all along
six pages and MY 66 coupe had the answer all along
Hi Sprat. Points well taken. After I shot it (15 times) I cleaned it very thoroughly just in case I don't shoot it again or it is a very long time until I do. Btw - I have a pristine p38 I bought from a friend of mine whose father brought it back and I did the same thing - shot it about 20 times and put it away. I am a collector first and foremost and buy guns from the eras in which I am interested. I shoot almost exclusively bullseye .22/.45
agalland
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