k98k won't close on cartrideg.
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agalland
Well-known member
Extractor claws are very hard...and brittle...the rarely bend, but frequently break...best left alone.
This, leave that part be, no prying of metal or scraping of metal. Bronze brush is about the extent of that.
USCS03
Senior Member
If it isn't too much trouble remove the bolt, take a few pictures of the bolt face and extractor. With the bolt out perhaps you could take a few pictures of the chamber. As others have pointed out the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, dried up caked on grease. A photograph or two might solidify that for you when observed by folks on the forum.
my66coupe
Senior Member
Overthinking the issue.....The ammo is crap.
Read the reviews here....http://www.sportsmansguide.com/prod...8x57mm-js-mauser-170-grain-fmj-ammo?a=1581480
Reviews on multiple forums.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?16278-Safety-of-New-Production-Hotshot-8mm-Ammo-in-Semi-s
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/free-range-time/36658-warning-romanian-mauser-8mm-ammo.html
This is not the same Romanian surplus that came in the 340/380 spam cans that everyone loves! That stuff is right as rain and is 150grn vs the 170 "hot shot".
Read the reviews here....http://www.sportsmansguide.com/prod...8x57mm-js-mauser-170-grain-fmj-ammo?a=1581480
Reviews on multiple forums.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?16278-Safety-of-New-Production-Hotshot-8mm-Ammo-in-Semi-s
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/free-range-time/36658-warning-romanian-mauser-8mm-ammo.html
This is not the same Romanian surplus that came in the 340/380 spam cans that everyone loves! That stuff is right as rain and is 150grn vs the 170 "hot shot".
Spot on! I was getting ready to say the same thing. Everyone has had issues with that junk.
John.
There was a problem with out of spec cases in some of that Romanian commercial ammo. It looks the same as the Romanian surplus except for a green lacquer sealant around the bullet instead of red for the surplus ammo. I bought some of this from Sportsman's guide awhile back and it would not chamber in ANY of my 8mm rifles. I have had no issue with Romanian surplus.
Here is some of the ammo in question...
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GENTLEMEN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have an announcement - the rifle loads and cycles the different ammo perfectly well! I certainly was not expecting that given how the other stuff locked it up. I have not tried to fire it yet but probably will before the weekend is up. The gun would not cycle with the Romanian 8x57 JS Mauser 170 grain lacquered steel ball ammo but would with the PPU FMJ BT198 grain ball brass case ammo. I doubt the difference in case material made the difference but rather the size of the Romanian but would be interested in thoughts on this. Interesting. I have never had this happen to me before with any centerfire ammo.
tjg79
Senior Member
If it's a really good collectable rifle, original all-matching, I wouldn't use it as a shooter. That's what RCs are for. If you have another stock, you should use that for range work. It's very easy to damage a matching collectable rifle's stock with some of this surplus ammo. Inspect it carefully before you fire and keep an eye on it while firing. The wood gets very dry and cracks easily. The wood that supports the recoil lug and the area on top of the wrist are the problem areas.
Look at the CIP 8mm Mauser maximum cartridge/minimum chamber specs and compare to the Romanian steel cased ammo and the ammo that loads. You'll need a caliper. I suspect the Romanian ammo isn't that far out of spec. The issue could be that it takes a bit more force to get the cartridge to seal in the chamber, because the steel case doesn't deform as easily as a brass case.
Look at the CIP 8mm Mauser maximum cartridge/minimum chamber specs and compare to the Romanian steel cased ammo and the ammo that loads. You'll need a caliper. I suspect the Romanian ammo isn't that far out of spec. The issue could be that it takes a bit more force to get the cartridge to seal in the chamber, because the steel case doesn't deform as easily as a brass case.
bingo, that is the stuff!! Going in the garbage now!!!
thanks tj. I don't intend to shoot this much. I MAY shoot a box the first time out and then who knows after that. Not much. I collect all different kinds of firearms but generally just shoot .22 and .45 in 75 ft bullseye.
tjg79
Senior Member
Put it on the trader forum for the shipping costs. Somebody will want it.
TJ, are they laminated stocks more durable in this regard? This rifle has a laminated stock, as I am sure you knew
tjg79
Senior Member
Yes, laminated stocks hold up better than non-laminated. I would still be careful with an original matching collectable rifle.
Actually, I wasn't thinking that it was laminated, but I should have been.
Regards
DaveDavis
Well-known member
My personal experience As I related to Rick at SMG guns;
Rick, thought you should know,
The new made Romanian FMJ 8mm ammunition sold by Sportsman Guide IS absolutely terrible ammunition. Today at the range, we tried it in 5 different Mauser 98 rifles [ 1 CzechVZ24, 1 Yugo M48,2 matched Kar98k rifles and 1 matched Gew98] WITHOUT EXCEPTION it was difficult to chamber, and required pounding the bolt handle into position to fire, upon firing .50% of the steel cases had split at the neck, extraction was very difficult.
The problem appears to be that the cases are not manufactured to required specification. They are noticeably different [ wider/ thicker ] when compared to other standard 8mm cases as well as the several original German test rounds I own. The base of the case is also thicker than standard.
Furthermore,the new made Romanian 8mm commercial ammunition would neither chamber nor fire in my SMG FG42.
This stuff is SH!T and should be avoided like the plague. It makes the surplus Turk 8mm look great.
Dave
Rick, thought you should know,
The new made Romanian FMJ 8mm ammunition sold by Sportsman Guide IS absolutely terrible ammunition. Today at the range, we tried it in 5 different Mauser 98 rifles [ 1 CzechVZ24, 1 Yugo M48,2 matched Kar98k rifles and 1 matched Gew98] WITHOUT EXCEPTION it was difficult to chamber, and required pounding the bolt handle into position to fire, upon firing .50% of the steel cases had split at the neck, extraction was very difficult.
The problem appears to be that the cases are not manufactured to required specification. They are noticeably different [ wider/ thicker ] when compared to other standard 8mm cases as well as the several original German test rounds I own. The base of the case is also thicker than standard.
Furthermore,the new made Romanian 8mm commercial ammunition would neither chamber nor fire in my SMG FG42.
This stuff is SH!T and should be avoided like the plague. It makes the surplus Turk 8mm look great.
Dave
Good to hear it. I think that's what most ID'd as the probable issue. I didn't even know current Romanian steel case was being made. I've been shooting the surplus for years, over 2k rounds of it in four different rifles and never had a single problem other than it is not very accurate/consistent.
this whole incompatible ammo issue is new to me and I've been shooting and collecting for decades. It must be more prevalent with these mausers and/or foreign made ammo, neither of which I have had experience until now. I don't yet know how deep I'll get into mauser collecting. I have a nice es340b (with checkered stock and sliding rear sights similar to es350) and am on the hunt for a nice kkw, but as we know are a little hard to come by in unmolested condition. I will have to say that this has been an unusually helpful and friendly forum!
Intruder196
Senior Member
How much do you have? I may be interested in it to pull the bullets and reuse them.
I have only one box but would be happy to mail it to you for free.
