Humper Die Derp 27 1939 1984

Zeppelin5000 said:
It would be nice if Gunbroker had some sort of a comment section to call stuff like this out... Plus warn people to do their homework lol. I'm sure sellers would absolutely LOVE a comment section.
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GunBroker is selling tools to find gold. They don't care if you find gold or find fool's gold. They make money either way. Ebay is in the same situation, however, Ebay will get involved when large companies put pressure on them. Nike, etc.


FWIW this is another flipper. It's kinda funny how these flippers all have the same characteristics.
 
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I'll refrain from making any judgements but others can see this for themselves.

F*ck it I lied. I think 'Kansasww2collector' need to take byf41's **** out of his mouth. I believe they're the same person or it's this type of relationship...

If this is too much just nuke mods. Honestly I think that other sap is about to get raped. Just MHO
 
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Yeah that is some serious bullshit right there the bidder has only been a member on Gunbroker barely a month and all of his five dealings was with the same seller? Love those comments like a "Like a well oiled machine, best buyer ever, etc!

This shite makes me laugh it's like owning your own gas station but you sell gas to yourself! :laugh:
 

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It’s rather asinine, comical. However, the damage wrought by it is people seeing these “prices” and believing that they are real.
 
It just comes down to the fact that K98's have this mystique and coolness about them, we all know that and people who aren't that familiar with the details and specifics about them know that. People see them as "the enemy's rifle" or "Nazi guns". Owning one of these is possible and people want to jump on that, so they pay prices that are well over what the rifle is worth. There are plenty of people out there who obviously don't do their homework and think what they see is 100% a legit correct rifle. They don't know any better. The thought never crosses their mind that rifles are faked, humped, etc. I'm on a few Facebook groups and people post K98s all the time. Of course I look closely at them and tend to find something wrong that the owner never knew about. This often surprises the person or even makes them angry that something negative was pointed out....
 
I know very little about 98 Mausers. I know that over a 100 million were made by many manufacturers over a long period of time. I do not know what the word humped means when applied to a rifle. Humped can be used as a noun or a verb to describe a raised bump. Nowhere does it mean fake. It appears that on this fourm it is used as a volgar slang for a inside joke. Fourms should be used to give facts so that a persons knowledge is increased. This is like somebody saying that is a ugly dog and 10 people chime in and say sure is ugly and not one knows the breed or what it was developed for. So my question is what is wrong with this rifle. Is the seller trying to fake a rare rifle? Are there too many inspector marks? Of all the replies not a single fact is presented. Statements like stamps are too large mean nothing, stamps are hand made and there were thousands of inspectors. Statements like: “that stamp was only used on navy spoons is factual”. So what are the facts on this rifle. It seems to me that somebody that takes a 137 pictures does not have much to hide. It appears that this rifle went through the entire war and could have been rebuilt and re-inspected many times. So what are the facts that this did not happened and the stamps were applied late. And if they were applied later for what reason. As Joe Friday said on Dragnet “just the facts mam”
 
Sebastian21 said:
I know very little about 98 Mausers. I know that over a 100 million were made by many manufacturers over a long period of time. I do not know what the word humped means when applied to a rifle. Humped can be used as a noun or a verb to describe a raised bump. Nowhere does it mean fake. It appears that on this fourm it is used as a volgar slang for a inside joke. Fourms should be used to give facts so that a persons knowledge is increased. This is like somebody saying that is a ugly dog and 10 people chime in and say sure is ugly and not one knows the breed or what it was developed for. So my question is what is wrong with this rifle. Is the seller trying to fake a rare rifle? Are there too many inspector marks? Of all the replies not a single fact is presented. Statements like stamps are too large mean nothing, stamps are hand made and there were thousands of inspectors. Statements like: “that stamp was only used on navy spoons is factual”. So what are the facts on this rifle. It seems to me that somebody that takes a 137 pictures does not have much to hide. It appears that this rifle went through the entire war and could have been rebuilt and re-inspected many times. So what are the facts that this did not happened and the stamps were applied late. And if they were applied later for what reason. As Joe Friday said on Dragnet “just the facts mam”
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Sebastian21 said:
I know very little about 98 Mausers. I know that over a 100 million were made by many manufacturers over a long period of time. I do not know what the word humped means when applied to a rifle. Humped can be used as a noun or a verb to describe a raised bump. Nowhere does it mean fake. It appears that on this fourm it is used as a volgar slang for a inside joke. Fourms should be used to give facts so that a persons knowledge is increased. This is like somebody saying that is a ugly dog and 10 people chime in and say sure is ugly and not one knows the breed or what it was developed for. So my question is what is wrong with this rifle. Is the seller trying to fake a rare rifle? Are there too many inspector marks? Of all the replies not a single fact is presented. Statements like stamps are too large mean nothing, stamps are hand made and there were thousands of inspectors. Statements like: “that stamp was only used on navy spoons is factual”. So what are the facts on this rifle. It seems to me that somebody that takes a 137 pictures does not have much to hide. It appears that this rifle went through the entire war and could have been rebuilt and re-inspected many times. So what are the facts that this did not happened and the stamps were applied late. And if they were applied later for what reason. As Joe Friday said on Dragnet “just the facts mam”
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To keep things short: Too many, of the wrong kind, of the wrong size, in unusual places, in the wrong orientation, etc. Several of the parts are clearly renumbered in a fashion that the Germans just didn't do. No, it's not possible this was "rebuilt and reinspected" like this. There are examples of that kind of thing. The way this rifle is done up is meant to lure some gullible, ignorant buyer into paying a pile of cash for something not worth a dime. "Humped", as it's used here, is merely a term used to describe something that has been faked. One thing altered to be something it's not. Ever heard of jargon? Hope that'a clarified. The statement "the stamps are too large" in the case of these rifles, can absolutely be a fact. I recommend you take these threads like this in stride and take the responses as indicators that the rifle in question is no good. The people here know their stuff, that's why svery thread isn't stuffed with factual responses. If you have questions, ask them. I wouldn't come here on a pedestal lecturing people about how to run their own forum. The facts are here, but not necessarily in every thread. Have fun learning. Cheers.

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Sebastian21 said:
I know very little about 98 Mausers. I know that over a 100 million were made by many manufacturers over a long period of time. I do not know what the word humped means when applied to a rifle. Humped can be used as a noun or a verb to describe a raised bump. Nowhere does it mean fake. It appears that on this fourm it is used as a volgar slang for a inside joke. Fourms should be used to give facts so that a persons knowledge is increased. This is like somebody saying that is a ugly dog and 10 people chime in and say sure is ugly and not one knows the breed or what it was developed for. So my question is what is wrong with this rifle. Is the seller trying to fake a rare rifle? Are there too many inspector marks? Of all the replies not a single fact is presented. Statements like stamps are too large mean nothing, stamps are hand made and there were thousands of inspectors. Statements like: “that stamp was only used on navy spoons is factual”. So what are the facts on this rifle. It seems to me that somebody that takes a 137 pictures does not have much to hide. It appears that this rifle went through the entire war and could have been rebuilt and re-inspected many times. So what are the facts that this did not happened and the stamps were applied late. And if they were applied later for what reason. As Joe Friday said on Dragnet “just the facts mam”
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Not sure what all this bluster is about? It almost sounds to me like you're trying to justify this rifle and defend the creator. It's not correct in the sense that ANY German run factory or armorer ever made this. Many people here know what right looks like but at the same time some of us are hesitant to tell people 'exactly' what is wrong with it because we're virtually certain actual humpers lurk here to find out 'exactly' what they did wrong in hopes of improving their shitty product. I don't you and am not accusing you of anything but boy if this post doesn't fit that mold.

I sounds to me like you're demanding to be told exactly what's wrong with this in specific detail and I for one am not prepared to do that. There were plenty of specifics mentioned. Maybe you just didn't see them?
 
I’m very hesitant to answer specifically because we do not know who all is in here with us. If a rifle-faker (humper) were to be WANTING to improve their craft they absolutely would be in here watching and reading.

The term “humped” or “humper” is derisively mocking in a very deliberate way. Why? These people RUIN perfectly good, honest rifles to try to boost their sale price, AND create fake accounts to bid up the auction prices to create fake competition.



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M1903A3 said:
..The term “humped” or “humper” is derisively mocking in a very deliberate way. Why? These people RUIN perfectly good, honest rifles to try to boost their sale price, AND create fake accounts to bid up the auction prices to create fake competition.
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This. It's my main beef. I understand the whole 'it's their rifle they can do what they want'. The problem is when they do it to deceive and defraud others then they become a cancer to a hobby many here hold very dear. That is the problem.

FWIW it really appears this was a pretty solid, matching, fairly rare and desirable rifle with a few bits missing and someone went off, basically ruining it for a collector.
 
His top goal is to make his auctions, fun, simple, easy and to the point. :moon:
 
There are some very knowledgeable contributors on this forum. We're all the richer for that. This particular rifle is so blatantly faked that we were having a little fun with it. Laugh or cry is about all we can do, since we can't seem to prevent the obvious fraud that's taking place.

Right, if you contact the seller of one of the fantasies and call him out on it, he's well within his rights under Gunbroker's policies to have you banned.
 
Sebastian21 said:
I know very little about 98 Mausers. I know that over a 100 million were made by many manufacturers over a long period of time. I do not know what the word humped means when applied to a rifle. Humped can be used as a noun or a verb to describe a raised bump. Nowhere does it mean fake. It appears that on this fourm it is used as a volgar slang for a inside joke. Fourms should be used to give facts so that a persons knowledge is increased. This is like somebody saying that is a ugly dog and 10 people chime in and say sure is ugly and not one knows the breed or what it was developed for. So my question is what is wrong with this rifle. Is the seller trying to fake a rare rifle? Are there too many inspector marks? Of all the replies not a single fact is presented. Statements like stamps are too large mean nothing, stamps are hand made and there were thousands of inspectors. Statements like: “that stamp was only used on navy spoons is factual”. So what are the facts on this rifle. It seems to me that somebody that takes a 137 pictures does not have much to hide. It appears that this rifle went through the entire war and could have been rebuilt and re-inspected many times. So what are the facts that this did not happened and the stamps were applied late. And if they were applied later for what reason. As Joe Friday said on Dragnet “just the facts mam”
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You want facts? Try educating yourself instead of riding in here blind and calling world class collectors out. Makes you look like an ignorant imbecile. We sell books by said collectors that once read and understood, can save you further embarrassment, might help you remove your foot from your mouth too.


KJ
 
Dragom (formerly Dragom Custom Rifles) used to be the Humpmeister extraordinaire. He went overboard applying a garden variety of stamps, ruining decent rifles in the process.
He was a wily guy, though. He used tittiegirl as a rifle display stand when taking pictures of his hump-o-ramas. Its purpose was to divert the viewer's attention away from the fact that the receiver ring was previously drilled and tapped for a Walmart scope, then filled in with plug screws, filed, polished and reblued (for those who noticed there also is a rifle in the picture).

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For Sebastian21: Stop whining and feeling sorry for yourself. Life in general and collecting in particular is not an app. There's no "Hey Siri, what's wrong with this rifle". How would you feel about someone almost perfectly faking baseball cards, getting the printing and the aging pretty much down to a T but using slightly thinner card stock? Would it benefit collecting if you explained online to a newbie (and thereby to the rest of the world, including the faker which could also be the same person as the newbie) that the card stock was wrong? Collecting is a minefield and you won't become a skilled collector overnight. The members here have dedicated years of their lives to gathering information enabling them to make educated calls. Listen to them. Some have documented every rifle sold in auctions and are able to prove that a $3,000 "all matching" rifle sold recently was a $400 mismatched sporter only a year ago. Proof that someone obviously humped it between then and now. We expose humpers, we call them out. We don't tell them "Hey, if you would have used a WaA135 stamp instead of a WaA63 stamp it would have been correct and you would have -almost- fooled us" because we don't aid humpers and we are no fools. Their ignorance is our strength. And because most humpers are lazy fucks, they will not take their time to study correct size, application and location of stamps or numbers. We have a huge pictorial data base which is available to all members. Study the examples and compare them against rifles being called out here as fakes. It's not that difficult.
 
heavy_mech said:
This. It's my main beef. I understand the whole 'it's their rifle they can do what they want'. The problem is when they do it to deceive and defraud others then they become a cancer to a hobby many here hold very dear. That is the problem.

FWIW it really appears this was a pretty solid, matching, fairly rare and desirable rifle with a few bits missing and someone went off, basically ruining it for a collector.
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THIS!! I wish that sellers could all just deal in rifles as they are without trying to boost their sales. There’s nothing wrong with an honest rifle that has some mismatched parts, or some damage, and just let it get what it gets on the market. Once parts are ruined it’s permanent! Entry level collectors NEED bolt or stock mismatch rifles!!! They are a perfect first K98 for new collectors. So I’m the same way, I hate to see parts and guns ruined for several reasons.


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