BSW not a turd apparently, at Oaks Pa gun show
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Boys I would not jump the gun to far here.
This may be a legit left over BSW receiver used in 1940 Gustloff production.
Remember, Gustloff absorbed alot of the material from BSW when production was moved to Weimar.
All of the receiver inspection marks look legit to me and there is no evidence of grinding on the receiver.
I vote this as a very scarce variation, at least from the limited photos.
B.
This may be a legit left over BSW receiver used in 1940 Gustloff production.
Remember, Gustloff absorbed alot of the material from BSW when production was moved to Weimar.
All of the receiver inspection marks look legit to me and there is no evidence of grinding on the receiver.
I vote this as a very scarce variation, at least from the limited photos.
B.
More perspective from a Mauser Oberndorf standpoint.
S/42 1938 tool room receiver used in 1945 production
byf43 receiver used in 1944 'i' block production.
Typical usage of available material. It would make sense that Gustloff used up surplus receivers when they started production in Weimar.
S/42 1938 tool room receiver used in 1945 production
byf43 receiver used in 1944 'i' block production.
Typical usage of available material. It would make sense that Gustloff used up surplus receivers when they started production in Weimar.
Certainly legit so far as shown, and if truly all original and matcher worth considerably more than ask... two others known, BSW/38 receivers with at least one a Ruhrstahl 1940 coded blanks, e/749 acceptance RR, top final e/749 (BSW Suhl didn't TF and bcd not until late1941) and these are probably assembled mid-late 1941 at Weimar. Other two are d-blocks, 9000/d range (BSW Suhl never made it to the d-bock...)
Anyway, possibly a missed opportunity, but the other two known are scantily detailed. Too bad these pics are it, now there are 3 scantily detailed examples.
Anyway, possibly a missed opportunity, but the other two known are scantily detailed. Too bad these pics are it, now there are 3 scantily detailed examples.
Bob in OHIO
Senior Member
... everyone is now heading to that PA GS?
mauser202
Senior Member
Dam, I never would have guessed it. The 1938 really looked engraved in person. I don’t think the seller has any idea it could be legit.
This is what I love about this forum, so much knowledge that goes below the surface, and even when you’re wrong you can learn something.
This is what I love about this forum, so much knowledge that goes below the surface, and even when you’re wrong you can learn something.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
I'll admit when I looked at the bsw and 1938 in that 1st photo it looked engraved to me too. I also found the offset top final odd. The RR does look correct and that '40 dated barrel would seem to support what Loewe said.
mauser202
Senior Member
If anyone is looking for it, it’s in the middle room .
Stephan98k
aka 8x57IS
These posts are very important and I agree with everything except the year 1940 and 1941. In my opinion this receiver was used in 1942 Gustloff production.
Unfortunately we only have these two pictures, I would have loved to know the serial number and my assumption it's an "d" block. Do you have some pictures and data of the other two rifles?
The Gustloff K98k assembly did not run continuously and was interrupted in 1940 and 1941. The reason is the redirection of armaments through an order from July 13, 1940 by Adolf Hitler. In June 1941 the armament was again redirected to the detriment of the K98k - which was also one of the reasons that led to the so-called "Rifle Crisis" in 1941/1942. Many of the "bcd41" coded K98k were assembled in 1942 after a longer interruption.
The Waffenamt document TL-1/1003 K98k inspection standard is very useful to date changes etc., in our case to assume the assembly date. The Waffenamt changed to top final on January 28, 1942.
Concentration camp prisoners from Buchenwald were already involved in the assembly of this K98k and Mr. G. could tell us more about it, he was a prisoner and clerk to Mr. Grosse, who was also a prisoner and he led the K98k assembly in Gustloff-Werke Werk II Buchenwald.
.This photo shows Mr. G. after the war, he was born in Leipzig in 1904 and as a German he was part of the minority in the K98k assembly in Buchenwald. Most of the prisoners in the K98k assembly came from Poland and the Czech Republic, with Germans coming third and then Dutch. In addition, most of these prisoners had work experience as locksmiths, carpenters, etc. like Mr. B. who was foreman in the K98k barrel production in Werk II Buchenwald. 
Mr. B. had professional experience as a lathe operator and the photo was taken in September 1943.In comparison the KKW production - most of the prisoners in the KWW Wehrsport rifle production were from France, followed by German and Czech prisoners. Many of the prisoners were young, they were chemistry and medicine students. They worked together with French teachers, pilots, police officers and a French infantry major also manufactured KKW rifles in Buchenwald.
I think in the K98k Addendum book Bruce will show some interesting things about the K98k assembly in Buchenwald. Please support him with the data from your K98k rifles, you will all benefit from it.
Regards,
Stephan
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hale1940
Canadian Fabio
Hey Stephan,
I was under the impression that give available info it seems doubtful that full on K98k ever took place at Buchenwald, and that the project was more or less bungled to the point that only barrel production got off the ground.
Has new info come to light indicating that K98k’s were actually manufactured at Buchenwald?
Stephan, much of my post was guessing based upon very few facts coupled with extrapolations.... I do agree it could be 1942 but trends do not suggest this yet.
I will post what little is known, I certainly am not certain about origins or even what constitutes a certainty regarding this variation, but I am convinced this is a legit variation based upon trends so far developed, - besides who could have come up with such an collection of absurdities other than actual events (besides national socialism is one ofthe few "faiths" that could make something so stupid and unproductive into a reality...)
*** I doubt a humper would come up with such an involved series of improbabilities.
I will post what little is known, I certainly am not certain about origins or even what constitutes a certainty regarding this variation, but I am convinced this is a legit variation based upon trends so far developed, - besides who could have come up with such an collection of absurdities other than actual events (besides national socialism is one ofthe few "faiths" that could make something so stupid and unproductive into a reality...)
*** I doubt a humper would come up with such an involved series of improbabilities.
98k Mauser BSW 1938 Lots of waffenamts! Auction # 34098925
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15 minute rule Location ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87120
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There are 4 crisp waffenamts on the right side of the receiver (see photo) instead of the usual 3 and there is a letter "B" preceding them as seen in Law's book, p. 66. 1938 was the first year of the new nazi eagle inspector markings. The wood on this rifle is excellent with one arsenal repair (see photo). Bore is very good to excellent. There is no Russian capture "X". Matching barrel and receiver; milled parts, laminate stock. A very nice 98k that has seen little use. I still have a couple more 98ks left that I am selling from my collection. Email me for more pictures and questions. I accept Paypal (please add 3%). I will ship to FFL or C&R license. Thanks for looking.
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Current Bid $200.00 Reserve Not Met Started at $20.00
Quantity 1# of bids 2 Bid History
Time left 2 Days, 6 Hours +
15 minute rule Location ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87120
BERNALILLO County
Started 6/29/2005 12:38:44 AM ET (This is a 3 day auction)
Ends On or After 7/2/2005 12:38:44 AM ET (Official Auction Time)
Seller Aeneas A+(36)
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High bidder Nulle100 A+(5)
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There are 4 crisp waffenamts on the right side of the receiver (see photo) instead of the usual 3 and there is a letter "B" preceding them as seen in Law's book, p. 66. 1938 was the first year of the new nazi eagle inspector markings. The wood on this rifle is excellent with one arsenal repair (see photo). Bore is very good to excellent. There is no Russian capture "X". Matching barrel and receiver; milled parts, laminate stock. A very nice 98k that has seen little use. I still have a couple more 98ks left that I am selling from my collection. Email me for more pictures and questions. I accept Paypal (please add 3%). I will ship to FFL or C&R license. Thanks for looking.
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