Rare Label. "hlb" used a year old cases from P315. Great box.
Anybody got K98k ammunition(then let,s see it)tracers/ball/steel/brass/
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Rare Label. "hlb" used a year old cases from P315. Great box.
@dutch, very interesting news for me, thanks for the information 
To be honest, I have collected German ammunition for some years, but have not had very much knowledge aboute producer, lot number etc.
Normally I buy nice boxes,(in good shape) and I didn't look for special or rare boxes, but it have changed now, it have become much more interesting now
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge, it is very appreciated
To be honest, I have collected German ammunition for some years, but have not had very much knowledge aboute producer, lot number etc.
Normally I buy nice boxes,(in good shape) and I didn't look for special or rare boxes, but it have changed now, it have become much more interesting now
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge, it is very appreciated
Here is a few boxes that I find interesting, not the most common in my collection.
Regards
Flemming
Regards
Flemming
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That is the most important of this Forum, to sharing a little knowledge.
It is nice to collect boxes, but a single round or head stamp can also tells a nice story.
For example, in WW1 the Germans had a problem to get copper to make brass.
In 1915 they decide to change the mix from 72% to 67% copper.
We all know the S67 part from the WW1 head stamp.
One company, Dresden, used a different way to show the higher part of zinc.
After the “S” they used a “Z” in the head stamp. They only used this code for two months.
In Mai 1915 they used the normal S67 head stamp.
Rgds
It is nice to collect boxes, but a single round or head stamp can also tells a nice story.
For example, in WW1 the Germans had a problem to get copper to make brass.
In 1915 they decide to change the mix from 72% to 67% copper.
We all know the S67 part from the WW1 head stamp.
One company, Dresden, used a different way to show the higher part of zinc.
After the “S” they used a “Z” in the head stamp. They only used this code for two months.
In Mai 1915 they used the normal S67 head stamp.
Rgds
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Very nice, Thanks for showing.
@ Dane,
The Czech box is very interesting. These are cartridges made as the Czech cartridges bin made before September 1939.
Sellier & Bellot became the German code P90D and all ammunition must be send to the German depots for use by the army.
The SS was armed before 1939 with all they could buy on the market. They did not get armoury from the German militarily administration.
Now, to make this ammunition in Czech style (head stamp SB) it was Czech ammunition and must not be shipped to the German depots.
So this ammo was made for the SS.
This is the German Label.
The Czech box is very interesting. These are cartridges made as the Czech cartridges bin made before September 1939.
Sellier & Bellot became the German code P90D and all ammunition must be send to the German depots for use by the army.
The SS was armed before 1939 with all they could buy on the market. They did not get armoury from the German militarily administration.
Now, to make this ammunition in Czech style (head stamp SB) it was Czech ammunition and must not be shipped to the German depots.
So this ammo was made for the SS.
This is the German Label.
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Unfortunately it is not known what it means.
In the beginning we though it was a “K” from Kern (core)
This is not correct because also sS loaded cartridges exist with this “K” on the box label.
There are also boxes with an “H” printed on the label.
It could be an internal code for a production line. But this theory is not confirmed.
Rgds
In the beginning we though it was a “K” from Kern (core)
This is not correct because also sS loaded cartridges exist with this “K” on the box label.
There are also boxes with an “H” printed on the label.
It could be an internal code for a production line. But this theory is not confirmed.
Rgds
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Nice cartridge.
This cartridge is not an official cartridge from the German army, but a civilian order from the SS.
These days they must buy there own equipments inclusive cartridges. This ended in September 1939.
By the occupation they get control on the Czech and Slovakian factories.
The SS insert these “being found” arms and ammunition into there organisation.
Rgds
This cartridge is not an official cartridge from the German army, but a civilian order from the SS.
These days they must buy there own equipments inclusive cartridges. This ended in September 1939.
By the occupation they get control on the Czech and Slovakian factories.
The SS insert these “being found” arms and ammunition into there organisation.
Rgds
Hi all, my first post here but I believe that not last. Can anyone put some light what I have inside this crate? Looks like standard SS ball, but also TP. It is mystery for me since in 1939 there was no ammo for tropics, or maybe I am wrong.
Any way, crate is sealed and I am wondering how those cartridges looks like ? any one came across what I have here?
Thanks in advance.
Mike GA
Any way, crate is sealed and I am wondering how those cartridges looks like ? any one came across what I have here?
Thanks in advance.
Mike GA
haak48
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Standard sS ball (on clips) The case is vacuum sealed for storage. The "Fur Tropen" refers to the amount of vacuum in the tin which would allow for it's storage in the temperatures found in tropic conditions. I am sure this is from the large lot of German 7,9 that came in from Turkey about 2003, most of these crates were so marked. Many had English stenciling over the German labels indicating North Africa capture around 1943. Some of the cases had combat damage with shrapnel found inside the ammo boxes. I had the task of sorting & grading all 3.1 MILLON rds. of this stuff before it was shipped to the public. Lots of fun but heavy work. I just fired an assortment of boxes yesterday in my ZB-26 from six different lots ranging from 1937 to 1939 and all fired and preformed perfectly. There was a good sized percentage of this shipment that was from P-635 (Austria), and most has been very good ammo. Nice crate and if decide to open it, it should still shoot well. JH
Typically my deer friend Jim. Only thinking how good collector’s ammo is going down the range. 
The war in Africa started with the attack from the Italian in September 1940 on the British forces in Egypt. By a counter attack almost the complete Italian army was destroyed.
To help the Italians the Germans send troops in Feb, 1941 to Africa.
In this timeframe German ammo factory’s started to make special 7,9 Trop. ammunition.
They needed so much that “normal” ammunition in sealed Patronenkiste 88 was also shipped to Africa. Of course with the special label; Für Tropen”.
The cartridge inside is a normal sS round without any special markings. (seal between the bullet and case)
sS Trop. Cartridges are only known from “cg” and “eej”.
Rgds
The war in Africa started with the attack from the Italian in September 1940 on the British forces in Egypt. By a counter attack almost the complete Italian army was destroyed.
To help the Italians the Germans send troops in Feb, 1941 to Africa.
In this timeframe German ammo factory’s started to make special 7,9 Trop. ammunition.
They needed so much that “normal” ammunition in sealed Patronenkiste 88 was also shipped to Africa. Of course with the special label; Für Tropen”.
The cartridge inside is a normal sS round without any special markings. (seal between the bullet and case)
sS Trop. Cartridges are only known from “cg” and “eej”.
Rgds
Typically my deer friend Jim. Only thinking how good collector’s ammo is going down the range.
The war in Africa started with the attack from the Italian in September 1940 on the British forces in Egypt. By a counter attack almost the complete Italian army was destroyed.
To help the Italians the Germans send troops in Feb, 1941 to Africa.
In this timeframe German ammo factory’s started to make special 7,9 Trop. ammunition.
They needed so much that “normal” ammunition in sealed Patronenkiste 88 was also shipped to Africa. Of course with the special label; Für Tropen”.
The cartridge inside is a normal sS round without any special markings. (seal between the bullet and case)
sS Trop. Cartridges are only known from “cg” and “eej”.
Rgds
Willem, slightly off topic, but I must add to your comments that it was the Australian led counter attack on the Italian garrison at Bardia (coincidentally 76 years ago this month) that resulted in some 40,000 prisoners being taken and leading to further gains against the Italian forces that as you say brought Germany into the North African campaign.. This was the first major engagement of Australian forces in WW2, led by an Australian General and planned by Australian staff.
Great Box by the way!!
Bizar
Well-known member
Platpatronen sorte 1, minderbrauchbar
Can anyone confirm if this a complete original box.
I'm wondering if the cases are correct to the label.
And for me it's the first that i see one with the "minderbrauchbar" written down at the label.
The box is from a friend of mine and my knowledge is not that good when it becames to the details.
Can anyone confirm if this a complete original box.
I'm wondering if the cases are correct to the label.
And for me it's the first that i see one with the "minderbrauchbar" written down at the label.
The box is from a friend of mine and my knowledge is not that good when it becames to the details.
