1916 Spandau Gew.98 Polish Rework by FB Radom

krukster86

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I am not sure if this counts as "Beutewaffen", but this seems to be the best spot for it.

A member of r/milsurp (Reddit) pointed me to an auction (Hessney Military / Sportsman Auction) in early March for something that he thought was in my area of interest. I originally was pointed to their Polish Wz.98/21/25 Mosin Nagant conversion, but for $2,500 plus premium and shipping/handling, it was a bit too rich for my liking, despite being “market price”. One other listing in this auction did catch my eye…

There was a Plain Jane looking wartime 1916 Spandau Gewehr 98, listed as “all matching” in decently nice condition. There were only a few blurry photos up for the listing (none of the receiver up top, or any macro photos of markings), but what I saw from the left-side receiver photo was that the original German serial number was cancelled (line through “strikeout”) and a new K-prefix serial was stamped above it. Another photo on the right side of the receiver showed that in addition to Imperial German proofs, there were small Polish eagle acceptance proofs on the receiver and barrel, and the barrel had Polish markings. The stock was missing the usual Imperial German proofs, and if I squinted, I did see that the stock had a hardwood dowel near the triggerguard area, which is indicative of a Polish Wz.98 beech wood stock.

All of this suggested that what I was looking at was a Polish rework of a Gew.98, either by FB Radom or another refurbishment facility. While this wasn’t a desirable early 1920’s manufactured Polish Wz.98 made at PFK Warszawa (only somewhere around 20,000+ were produced), I still decided to roll the dice, and ended up winning the auction.

The rifle arrived with the metal parts slathered in (possibly) cosmoline. The receiver was indeed a 1916 Spandau, with the FB Radom logo stamped above it (inverted triangle with the letters “FB”), suggesting that this rifle was reworked after FB Radom was established in 1927. Barrel and receiver matched, as well as the bolt, but everything else does not. The bolt appears to have been force matched to the rifle (original markings are “cancelled”), and while it isn’t stamped with the Polish eagle, it does have the Polish “lucky charms” stamped on the underside of the bolt stem base. The Polish Wz.98 beechwood stock is in quite good condition and still has the D over 2 proofmark stamps in an oval of the inspector, Major Tadeusz Dzierzynski, as well as the Polish eagle stamp on the semi-pistol grip of the stock. There are a fair mix of Polish proofed and Imperial German proofed parts, which is totally understandable.

I was not able to disassemble it further for the time being, as the bolt stop assembly is quite gunked up with cosmoline, preventing the bolt removal.

One additional note about the bolt. The original (cancelled) serial numbers on the bolt handle have a "Delta" suffix. I do recall reading on the Jan C Still Forums that there are rare variants of the FB Radom VIS 35 pistols that also have a Delta suffix in their serial number, as these were pistols that were rejected for quality issues, but then were issued/accepted once war was on the horizon and weapons were needed. I suspect that this bolt may have been originally intended to be issued to a Wz.29, but then rejected and repurposed by FB Radom to be used on this Gew.98 rework. Very interesting.

Considering there is a toothpaste tube’s worth of cosmoline in the bore, I can still see sharp rifling, and I hope that after a thorough cleaning, it will look a lot better too.

I am probably going to take this rifle apart in the near future and give it a nice thorough scrubdown to remove the cosmoline, as the macro photos make the metal condition look worse than it actually is.

All in all, I am quite happy with the rifle, especially with a barrel, receiver, and bolt, and I am happy it came with a correct Polish Wz.98 stock. I was a bit disappointed that it was identified as all-matching, but it seemed too good to be true, considering it is a Polish FB Radom rework and not a domestically produced Wz.98.

To be completely honest, if this rifle was a “run of the mill” wartime German Gewehr 98, I would have been disappointed for the price I paid, but for a Polish rework, I am more than pleased with it. It goes to show that it pays to do research, as stuff like this may fly under the radar, and I am sure it did during this auction.

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NOTE: Although the metal looks pitted and discolored, I have scratched at it with my fingernail, and it really is just grungy old cosmoline that has dried to a sort of "varnish" over the metal. This rifle will need a detailed cleaning, as soon as I can find the time for it.
 
It is about time that I post a followup status on this rifle. I managed to carefully get it apart, considering the amount of dried cosmoline on it.


Rest assured, I went a somewhat minimalist/nondestructive approach with cleaning it up. Stock was given a wipe down with a rag with hot soapy water. Metal parts with bathed in odorless mineral spirits (which dissolved/loosened the cosmoline). All metal parts were given a detailing with Ballistol and a toothbrush, and #000 Fine Bronze wool for any stubborn nodules of cosmoline.


I am quite happy with how it turned out. The cosmoline mess originally had resulted in a dark yellowish varnish layer on top of metal parts (especially those “in the white”). There was minimal surface rust and no putting under the woodline. Exposed metal parts had bluing wear and remaining bluing seems to have mostly turned to a stable patina.


From the parts now exposed, I have seen proofmarks that were obscured before. Essentially, I found more of the same, a mix of Polish and Imperial German parts of all sorts of mixed serial numbers. Considering that this is a FB Radom rework, that is totally understandable. The bore cleaned up beautifully, and while it isn’t a mirror, it is shiny with sharp rifling. I am very happy how this one turned out.


Here are some photos of the rifle of how it looks after cleaning.


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Very nice rifle. Turned out nice. I have 1916 Danzig refurbished at Radom and it also has wz98a stock.
Thanks Tokarev38. These FB Radom reworks are quite fascinating rifles. I am curious about piecing together the history of these reworks.

Since FB Radom began production of military rifles in 1927, I am assuming that this rifle could not have been reworked prior to that date, since it has the FB marking. 1927 is well past the end of the production run of long Wz.98 rifles with langevizier sights by PFK Warszawa (I recall that PFK Warszawa only produced Wz.98’s until 1924).

Is it possible that this rifle may have been reworked sometime after Wz98a’s were being produced (from 1936 onwards) to supplement domestic production? That would explain the force matched Wz.29 bolt paired with it, however it still retains the langevizier rear sight, which seems odd since the Wz.98a’s had the flat tangent sight. Maybe it was just a matter of “run with what ya got”…
 
I believe that these Radom conversions are after 1936. Since they use wz98a stocks and barrels, they can’t be earlier since Radom didn’t produce those earlier. Old style of rear sights could be reused if serviceable. Some of those rifles were refurbished with intention to be sent to Spain, so they did not necessarily had to satisfy Polish army specs.
 
I believe that these Radom conversions are after 1936. Since they use wz98a stocks and barrels, they can’t be earlier since Radom didn’t produce those earlier. Old style of rear sights could be reused if serviceable.
I agree 100%.
 
Looks much better after cleanup. Don't know if you noticed, but the stock is marked by HZa Kassel (Kl6) on the wrist.
 
They were reusing older, used and serviceable parts in those rebuilds, so any numbers present were crossed out and new ones were applied. Also during late thirties only bolts, receivers, barrels and stocks were considered unique and were numbered in new production rifles. Other smaller parts were considered interchangeable and were left unnumbered. Maybe that’s why in those later rebuilds those small parts are left mismatched and they not necessarily were mixed up later, but left an arsenal or factory as such. That is only my belief however. Maybe when rifles were rushed in the rebuilding process to be shipped to Spain, renumbering of small parts was not that important.
 
Two of mine for comparison in this thread.

Wonderful examples!
 
Don't know if you noticed, but the stock is marked by HZa Kassel (Kl6) on the wrist.
@RyanE , accounting for this German rework stamp on the wrist, it appears that the stock (at least) was captured by the Germans after 1939.

I am assuming we can’t likely say the same for the rest of the rifle, as unserialized armorer replacement parts would probably have been used by the HZa, or parts would have been force matched? I’d also wager that the HZa would have replaced the outdated rear sight with a Gew98m one.

Just speculating here, I am eager to learn and graciously accept corrections.
 
I am assuming we can’t likely say the same for the rest of the rifle, as unserialized armorer replacement parts would probably have been used by the HZa, or parts would have been force matched? I’d also wager that the HZa would have replaced the outdated rear sight with a Gew98m one.

I think Kassel probably would have renumbered any parts they replaced or salvaged. There are Ingolstadt reworked wz98a that have what appear to be German replaced barrels and Lange sights, so the depots do appear to have reused Polish sights sometimes.
 
I am not sure if this counts as "Beutewaffen", but this seems to be the best spot for it.

A member of r/milsurp (Reddit) pointed me to an auction (Hessney Military / Sportsman Auction) in early March for something that he thought was in my area of interest. I originally was pointed to their Polish Wz.98/21/25 Mosin Nagant conversion, but for $2,500 plus premium and shipping/handling, it was a bit too rich for my liking, despite being “market price”. One other listing in this auction did catch my eye…

There was a Plain Jane looking wartime 1916 Spandau Gewehr 98, listed as “all matching” in decently nice condition. There were only a few blurry photos up for the listing (none of the receiver up top, or any macro photos of markings), but what I saw from the left-side receiver photo was that the original German serial number was cancelled (line through “strikeout”) and a new K-prefix serial was stamped above it. Another photo on the right side of the receiver showed that in addition to Imperial German proofs, there were small Polish eagle acceptance proofs on the receiver and barrel, and the barrel had Polish markings. The stock was missing the usual Imperial German proofs, and if I squinted, I did see that the stock had a hardwood dowel near the triggerguard area, which is indicative of a Polish Wz.98 beech wood stock.

All of this suggested that what I was looking at was a Polish rework of a Gew.98, either by FB Radom or another refurbishment facility. While this wasn’t a desirable early 1920’s manufactured Polish Wz.98 made at PFK Warszawa (only somewhere around 20,000+ were produced), I still decided to roll the dice, and ended up winning the auction.

The rifle arrived with the metal parts slathered in (possibly) cosmoline. The receiver was indeed a 1916 Spandau, with the FB Radom logo stamped above it (inverted triangle with the letters “FB”), suggesting that this rifle was reworked after FB Radom was established in 1927. Barrel and receiver matched, as well as the bolt, but everything else does not. The bolt appears to have been force matched to the rifle (original markings are “cancelled”), and while it isn’t stamped with the Polish eagle, it does have the Polish “lucky charms” stamped on the underside of the bolt stem base. The Polish Wz.98 beechwood stock is in quite good condition and still has the D over 2 proofmark stamps in an oval of the inspector, Major Tadeusz Dzierzynski, as well as the Polish eagle stamp on the semi-pistol grip of the stock. There are a fair mix of Polish proofed and Imperial German proofed parts, which is totally understandable.

I was not able to disassemble it further for the time being, as the bolt stop assembly is quite gunked up with cosmoline, preventing the bolt removal.

One additional note about the bolt. The original (cancelled) serial numbers on the bolt handle have a "Delta" suffix. I do recall reading on the Jan C Still Forums that there are rare variants of the FB Radom VIS 35 pistols that also have a Delta suffix in their serial number, as these were pistols that were rejected for quality issues, but then were issued/accepted once war was on the horizon and weapons were needed. I suspect that this bolt may have been originally intended to be issued to a Wz.29, but then rejected and repurposed by FB Radom to be used on this Gew.98 rework. Very interesting.

Considering there is a toothpaste tube’s worth of cosmoline in the bore, I can still see sharp rifling, and I hope that after a thorough cleaning, it will look a lot better too.

I am probably going to take this rifle apart in the near future and give it a nice thorough scrubdown to remove the cosmoline, as the macro photos make the metal condition look worse than it actually is.

All in all, I am quite happy with the rifle, especially with a barrel, receiver, and bolt, and I am happy it came with a correct Polish Wz.98 stock. I was a bit disappointed that it was identified as all-matching, but it seemed too good to be true, considering it is a Polish FB Radom rework and not a domestically produced Wz.98.

To be completely honest, if this rifle was a “run of the mill” wartime German Gewehr 98, I would have been disappointed for the price I paid, but for a Polish rework, I am more than pleased with it. It goes to show that it pays to do research, as stuff like this may fly under the radar, and I am sure it did during this auction.

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Hi,by some redirections on the forum i got to see this thread.could you give your opinion on my mystery gew 98 as well?
 

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