Zeiss Zieldovier

[Mikegermany]

Any idea on these?

For me, the real rarities among the Zeiss -riflescopes. They are quite rare, even in germany.
With a bit of luck, I have been able to acquire a few for my collection in recent years.
Especially the ones with hand engraved company name, model name and SN are extremely rare (in germany).

The SN on the example you show is very difficult to read - 368? I have SN 395 in my collection, this would be not far away.

 

[jk111]

Mike yes it looks like 368. These are for sale from an estate. I can put you in contact if interested

 

[Mikegermany]

I can put you in contact if interested

Thanks for the offer, the import from the USA to Germany is too complicated and and the cost of importing like tax / shipping costs are not in relation.
But real nice scopes!

 

[Absolut]

Attached my Zeiss G.Z. scopes. Top is Zeiss G.Z. No. 550 marked, second G.Z. No. 322, third, G.Z. III 2264, fourth G.Z. III 2286, bottom is G.Z. IV 1909.

Note that the two G.Z. on top have different view in angles, despite being the same model. Top has basically same entrance angle as leaving angle whereas the second from top not. Must had been awkward to kind of look to the top but actually aiming straight forward.

PS: I originally had considered it more likely that each model replaced the previous one and therefore one would expect the higher serial then a later model (which somehow also does work), but the G.Z. IV kind of not fully fits this pattern...

PPS: had taken me until this picture to notice I do not have a G.Z. II scope. Do those exist and I miss one model in my collection?

 

[Mikegermany]

Note that the two G.Z. on top have different view in angles,

I think you know why- in the early Zeiss brochures, the angled model (second from top) is recommended for mounting on Mauser rifles, the model with straight sight (on top) for break-barrel rifles.
3+4 from top is Zeiss model designation “Teleweit”, 5 from top is model designation “Telekipp”.

All the Zeiss prismatics are high interesting, but because they saw never regularly miltary use unfortunately quite displaced in this forum.

 

[Absolut]

I agree they are displaced in this sub forum, but why not. It is one of the most interesting threads for a long time. Really enjoy discussing those rather unknown ancestors and brothers of sniper scopes made by Zeiss.
BTW, If I‘m not mistaken the Zeiss GZ scope also got trialed on the Springfield 1903. @cplnorton could Tell more.

 

[Mikegermany]

If I‘m not mistaken the Zeiss GZ scope also got trialed on the Springfield 1903.

That's right, discussed several times.

 

[Mikegermany]

Really enjoy discussing those rather unknown ancestors

Yes, and it isn't only Zeiss.... one of my big mysteries is the following "C.P. Goerz", picture is dated 1911.

Never seen one in real, never found anything about this in any paperwork pp.

The Patent No.129673 issued to Zeiss and protecting the prismatic construction was given in 1900, by theory it ended 1910 if it has not been extended , so it would be possible that Goerz constructed after 1910 also an prismatic model.
But why? Goerz had an established line with lensscopes, in 1911, prism technology was already outdated.

Another explanation for me could be that Goerz had already designed and built prism riflescopes around 1900, but Zeiss came first with the patent, so Goerz was out of play.










(courtesy of Jon Speed)