Z.F41 - It screamed take me with you! I couldn't resist...

[Oliver]

Hi all,

there is a ZF41 I got. It is natural, not cleaned one. The condition is quiet good, I think.

As far I can see, it is an early Model 1 with flush knurl, from Emil Busch AG, CXN (C). Number is 60790 and marked KF "Kaeltetest". It must be produced between 1941/2.

The side base is stamped e/214, white "O" fat-ring and rifle number 8174. The base has flat rollers. So, I think it was mounted on a Berlin-Luebecker Maschinenfabrik rifle. If I'm right.

At the inside it has a "X" mark (captured by Russia) and the rings on top are all marked with 586. Also it has the K98 ZF41 stamp at the end of the side base.

The front cover has a little bump, but I think I can fix it. The review is good, just a little bit fogy at the rim.

Could it be, the ZF is from 1941 and the mounting from 1942? Because KF and "O" markings are different time frames. Maybe, the ZF was mixed in "captivity?

What is the number 586 for?


What do you think about it?

 

[mdarnell19]

Nice early scope mount. Notice how it has no duv, so I think this definitely was on a BLM rifle (plus the smaller font is characteristic of BLM).

The 586 was stamped to insure that the upper rings stayed with the lower mount. They should only match themselves, not the rifle serial number or scope serial number.

 

[Oliver]

Nice early scope mount. Notice how it has no duv, so I think this definitely was on a BLM rifle (plus the smaller font is characteristic of BLM).

The 586 was stamped to insure that the upper rings stayed with the lower mount. They should only match themselves, not the rifle serial number or scope serial number.

Thank you Matt for your information.

First I wondered why it has no duv stamp, but it seems all correct. I will do another pic from the inside of the side base. It seems there is another stamp as well.

 

[mdarnell19]

Early mounts don’t usually have the duv stamp.

 

[Oliver]

Early mounts don’t usually have the duv stamp.

I have not known early mounts have no "duv" stamp. But, now it makes sense.

I checed the inside of the base, because I thought there is another inspection stamp. But, it looks like it is just a scratch. Only the "capturing X" is really visible.

Anyway, I have to look for a container for the scope, to make it complete.

 

[kentomon]

Beautiful scope, perfect set.
The "O" on the mount is not a lubricant marking but a letter suffix of the rifle serial#. So the rifle number is "8074 O". I believe it is just as it was during the war.
It was originally issued with a matching container also numbered "8074 O", too bad they were divorced.
If you are going to seek a container of the same period, look for an early type with a tube for the lens brush.
Do you mind if I add your scope to my database?

 

[Oliver]

Do you mind if I add your scope to my database?

Hi Kentomon,

first I have to congratulate you of this fantastic web page about Z.F.41 scopes. It is brilliant, with lots of information. Thank you for sharing all this with the community.

Thanks for the information about the "O" and the scope container. I will have a look to find one of these.

Of course, you can add all the details of the scope to your database.

All the best!

 

[nirvana]

I have not known early mounts have no "duv" stamp. But, now it makes sense.

I checed the inside of the base, because I thought there is another inspection stamp. But, it looks like it is just a scratch. Only the "capturing X" is really visible.

Anyway, I have to look for a container for the scope, to make it complete.

I’ve never seen a ZF41 mount with a Russian capture X. Where did you obtain this information from? I didn’t think that the Soviets kept mounts.

 

[Oliver]

I’ve never seen a ZF41 mount with a Russian capture X. Where did you obtain this information from? I didn’t think that the Soviets kept mounts.

Well, I have attached this photo where you can see the arms of the scope mount. On the left arm you can see a "X" sign which looks like the capturing sign, the Soviets used on captured weapons. It could be an inspection stamp, also. But I'm no expert.

What do you think?

 

[tonino7]

Oliver , that X it's not the soviet X but only a letter punched from an inspector during a control in the production . In the same place , on other mounts , you can found other letters with the same meaning .

 

[Oliver]

Oliver , that X it's not the soviet X but only a letter punched from an inspector during a control in the production . In the same place , on other mounts , you can found other letters with the same meaning .

Tonino7, thank you for the information about the "X" mark. Just hard for me as a "rookie" to match with all the details.

 

[tonino7]

No worries Oliver , this forum exist to share informations and to learn too .