(wwiigermansniper.com) No ZF4 Swept-Back Mount K98 Section? Why is this?

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m-rinehart.2

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Hello all, I've been doing a lot of research on German K98 snipers. When it comes to most of you, I've got a lot of catching up to do. One of my favorite sites to research and learn from is wwiigermansniper.com. I notice they do not have a section on the Swept-Back Mount that mounts a ZF4 optic to a K98. Does anyone know why this is? Would anyone be able to provide a good resource into researching this particular scope & mount setup? I did post a screenshot from the site that references the K98 in one sentence when it comes to the ZF4 mounting to the G43. Thanks!

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That’s because there are not many real ones. No combat photos of one. Probably all captured at factory and the Germans lost the war before many could be made. There is one real one posted on here in my opinion. I’ll find you the link.
 
Here’s the link to the one I liked.

www.k98kforum.com

CE 44 SWEPT BACK SNIPER W/specially marked zf4 scope..

After a big foot type sighting in Maryland the elusive swept back Ce44 sniper was bagged and photographed in Connecticut and mass.. When looking at an item like this my thought process is "it's fake till I can prove otherwise or can find no fault in the item" I could not find any. How many were...
www.k98kforum.com www.k98kforum.com
 
Hercules said:
That’s because there are not many real ones. No combat photos of one. Probably all captured at factory and the Germans lost the war before many could be made. There is one real one posted on here in my opinion. I’ll find you the link.
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Thanks for the info Hercules. Very helpful. I wish there was a section on the wwiigermansniper site explaining this. I wonder if there are any original factory photos of unused K98 rifles.
 
m-rinehart.2 said:
Thanks for the info Hercules. Very helpful. I wish there was a section on the wwiigermansniper site explaining this. I wonder if there are any original factory photos of unused K98 rifles.
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I thought the guy did a good job on the website. These were probably still in development most likely. All guessing based on what I have seen.
 
Hercules said:
I thought the guy did a good job on the website. These were probably still in development most likely. All guessing based on what I have seen.
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Absolutely, I'm in love with the website. The creator has my utmost respect & thanks. Meant no disrespect. I think I'm just spoiled by all the other sections, I desperately wanted a long in-depth section on the ZF4 scope & mount.
 
If you want more info on ZF4 type scopes then there is probably more info in the G43 section as that is where those scopes were mostly used. To find a Swept Back Sniper is like finding a Unicorn, but maybe harder. There is a lot of competition for anything 98K Sniper and people can loose their minds at times.
 
To me, the scope and intent of Matt’s site is general combat issued snipers one might reasonably expect to fall into, and is a great resource. Getting into prototype and trials snipers/ optics equipped rifles would be a whole other topic IMO, and there would be a lot more than just the swept back missing in that case.
 
Thanks for the kind words guys. Clay hit the nail on the head. When I created the website several years ago I did not want to cover any of the prototype snipers. The reason being that there is so little info on them and info on them is ever changing. I really wanted to focus on the meat and potato rifles that really saw combat and we are most likely to collect. There are almost no legit swept back snipers in existence to observer.

Now that said, it has always been my intention to update the site and even add some section for accessories and snipers from other countries. This is why I created a website and not a book. It is easy to change. Since creating it there has already been things I had to change because new information has come to light. And I know that there is likely more that I need to edit.

Please don't take my site as the end all be all. As of late, I have had very little time between raising kids and running a business to devote to editing it. And when I do have time I am just to tired. I've actually considered seeing it someone wanted to take it over or help with it.

Thanks again for you comments. To answer you question, the best and only real info on the swept back can be found in the Volume II books.
 
Even we couldn’t find documented info on swept backs. Add to that the fakes passed off as originals and it’s game over. I personally think very few if any real mounts exist - the White Laboratories photo series (Aberdeen marked) are the only legit ones I can attest to. The one posted above appears real too, but no mount. The one in Backboner has a fake mount imo, it’s even broken, but people say it’s real. Sniper collectors, what can you say.
 
mrfarb said:
Even we couldn’t find documented info on swept backs. Add to that the fakes passed off as originals and it’s game over. I personally think very few if any real mounts exist - the White Laboratories photo series (Aberdeen marked) are the only legit ones I can attest to. The one posted above appears real too, but no mount. The one in Backboner has a fake mount imo, it’s even broken, but people say it’s real. Sniper collectors, what can you say.
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Finally found documentation on Swept Back. Dates 9th December 1944. Generally refers to development of the K 43 as Sniper Rifle, but also goes into detail as to why they cannot pull K98k rifles from the Army and have them converted to sniper rifles. It says the mounting of the scope on the Karabiner 98 k requires a different mount than for the K 43 and in best case scope mounts for the Karabiner 98 k may be ready End February 1945. And even when the mounts are in stock, the adjusting as well as mounting them to Karabiner 98 k, which are taken from Army stock, causes difficulties and under no circumstances may be done by the troop themselves.

PS: that document is a bit difficult to understand since they always speak of "simplified Karabiner 98 k" if you do not know in another document they due to production simplifications (stamped parts, simplified trigger guard, etc.) make weird minor designation differences from "sniper rifle" to "scoped rifle", because they then consider it not this precise as it previously was and therefore also call these guns then "simplified" for just these reasons.
 
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