Turret mount

[Brian Densmore]

Hello to all you fine folks and thank you for approving my request to become a member . I operate a small gun shop in rural Nova Scotia, Canada where it seems there is always something of interest coming through the door . A few days ago a K98 with a Dialytan [bmj] scope came in for stock repair and sight in. MY question, is the front base of the turret mount soldered to the receiver? It will not come off in order for me to find who the manufacturer was. The gun is all matching , wood and metal and is in very good condition other than the stock being cut in order to ship it home after the war. I can't seem to post pictures but will keep trying . Thanks for any help you can give regarding this and I will do my best to get pictures on here asap
Brian

 

[frankie]

Why would you think there is a need to remove the front base to determine manufacturer? If it were my rifle you tried to remove the base, I’d be pissed. Educate him Dave.

 

[Thorne]

Yes they are silver soldered to the receiver. Removing them would be very foolish, as collectors pay to have things as they were.
If you have any pics of the sides of the receiver and barrel to post, it should easy to tell who and probably what year.

 

[mdarnell19]

Yes please do not remove the base! We can tell you the year and manufacturer from pictures of the side of the barrel and receiver. I'd also be careful in how you repair the stock.

If this work is not done properly you could be taking a $18,000 rifle and turning it into a $9,000 real fast.

 

[Brian Densmore]

Why would you think there is a need to remove the front base to determine manufacturer? If it were my rifle you tried to remove the base, I’d be pissed. Educate him Dave.

Why would you think there is a need to remove the front base to determine manufacturer? If it were my rifle you tried to remove the base, I’d be pissed. Educate him Dave.

Thank you sir for your reply ! Rest assured I would not be attempting to remove this base my any means other than my fingers ! ha I guess perhaps I should have also asked if manufacture can be determined from any other marks on the receiver.

 

[Brian Densmore]

Yes they are silver soldered to the receiver. Removing them would be very foolish, as collectors pay to have things as they were.
If you have any pics of the sides of the receiver and barrel to post, it should easy to tell who and probably what year.

Thankyou for your reply sir . I did expect the bases were soldered in place but just wanted to make sure. I understand what it is I have here and as such have nothing except a cleaning and stock repair on and old repair
Thanks!
Brian

 

[Brian Densmore]

Yes please do not remove the base! We can tell you the year and manufacturer from pictures of the side of the barrel and receiver. I'd also be careful in how you repair the stock.

If this work is not done properly you could be taking a $18,000 rifle and turning it into a $9,000 real fast.

Thank you for the reply sir . I have taken a lot of pictures of this but can't get them posted as this program tells me the pics are too big. Until I figure this out , is there numbers I can post which may help with manufacture and date of this piece? Thanks!
Brian

 

[Brian Densmore]

Yes please do not remove the base! We can tell you the year and manufacturer from pictures of the side of the barrel and receiver. I'd also be careful in how you repair the stock.

If this work is not done properly you could be taking a $18,000 rifle and turning it into a $9,000 real fast.

Hello again sir , if I were to email you some pictures would you be able to help ? If so you could email me briandensmorefirearms@gmail.com
Thanks!
Brian

 

[Dave Roberts]

Look at the Serial Number on the left side of Receiver and what other proof marks are there , this will determine which maker the rifle is . If the serial number on left side front ring matches the rifle then were the Scope is a BMJ , I would expect it to be a Mauser Turret . If serial number on left side of front ring does not match the rifles serial it could be either a Sauer or a Mauser . Here are a couple sample pics of Left Side Receiver Markers for both Sauer & Mauser . 1st Pic is Sauer and the Mauser

 

[Brian Densmore]

Look at the Serial Number on the left side of Receiver and what other proof marks are there , this will determine which maker the rifle is . If the serial number on left side front ring matches the rifle then were the Scope is a BMJ , I would expect it to be a Mauser Turret . If serial number on left side of front ring does not match the rifles serial it could be either a Sauer or a Mauser . Here are a couple sample pics of Left Side Receiver Markers for both Sauer & Mauser . 1st Pic is Sauer and the Mauser

Hello sir , the ser # of the ring does not match that of the rifle . Thank you for your help.
Brian

 

[mdarnell19]

Hello again sir , if I were to email you some pictures would you be able to help ? If so you could email me briandensmorefirearms@gmail.com
Thanks!
Brian

Yes. I sent you an email

 

[mdarnell19]

Pictures from Brian. Looks like a legit byf43 K block low turret.

 

[bruce98k]

Ouch..and elm as well.

 

[bruce98k]

Matt, see if we can get images of the front scope ring serial.
Appears mismatched but the assembler got very creative on the number placement.

 

[Dave Roberts]

I agree it looks good from these pics . Scope is in correct serial range for a LT scope and the rear ring parts are also correct for this range and or period of LT scope . Too bad about the Stock . Had the Stock been left alone it likely would had resembled the LT in this period photo .

 

[Brian Densmore]

Thanks to you all for the info. I had several WW11 vets as personal friends and have had them describe cutting the stock to make everything fit in their duffle bag . They called this " the duffle cut " This rifle belongs to a customer whose grandfather brought it back . The family have used it since every year on the deer hunt. The old glue holding the cut portion let go and it was brought to me to repair and sight in . The scope is still very clear and it was a pleasure having this in my shop to study . Again I would like to thank all of you for the help you have give me!!!!!!
Brian

 

[mdarnell19]

Matt, see if we can get images of the front scope ring serial.
Appears mismatched but the assembler got very creative on the number placement.

Indeed very odd numbering

 

[bruce98k]

Scope is from earlier 'i' block low turret (Oberndorf) and is good data point for both bmj serial (67051) and also the letter block stamped above the SN.
My 'k' block LT also has a bmj scope (69451) and rifle SN is 33280k.
Application is a bit weird but looks good to me.

 

[Absolut]

This rifle belongs to a customer whose grandfather brought it back . The family have used it since every year on the deer hunt.

Please do make them aware that they have a rifle there which is - despite the stock cut - worth a few thousand. It would be better if they picked a different rifle for hunting for not risking to destroy anything with this rifle. If they don't care, then they should maybe consider selling this rifle because they would get so much money that in the end they could buy a new rifle and get a few thousand even atop. Or what would be better, now that the stock cut is repaired nicer, keep it as is as a family heirloom.

We do have some Canadian members in here, @capt14k or @CanadianAR could be tempted to buy it if there is a chance to?

 

[capt14k]

Please do make them aware that they have a rifle there which is - despite the stock cut - worth a few thousand. It would be better if they picked a different rifle for hunting for not risking to destroy anything with this rifle. If they don't care, then they should maybe consider selling this rifle because they would get so much money that in the end they could buy a new rifle and get a few thousand even atop. Or what would be better, now that the stock cut is repaired nicer, keep it as is as a family heirloom.

We do have some Canadian members in here, @capt14k or @CanadianAR could be tempted to buy it if there is a chance to?

I'm not in Canada, but I'm not opposed to importing from there. I do live in the Peoples Republic of NJ, so it can feel like I'm in Canada with the draconian firearms laws.