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The Post WW2 Rg34
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There are some of these post war knotted link chains that made use of leftover or recycled standard rotating head pieces from the war and I am assuming these chains were assembled in the early post war years.
A very interesting chain with a rare patch loop variant.
Antoni
Another PW Rg34 Variant
Recently acquired the pictured kit from Ebay seller "zpoznania". He offers kits either for auction or BIN. What I have observed is his kits which are painted "Green" are described as: "Nice original German surplus K98 cleaning kit, for use with G43, K98 and other rifles. Overall very good condition. original finish, everything included as pictured, oiler, cleaning bundle, 2 brushes, brush and pull through chain. This is in good condition with some scratches, small dents and paint loss." He also offers repainted kits (referred to as such) in "field green" and "dunkelgelb". All kits are unattributed.
The "Green" kits have a greenish-gray color and gloss finish. Of note is the design of the tin, which is the early pattern without reinforcement rib. It appears these kits come with a early type RGK consisting of a metal swivel-patch loop and 65 alloy beads. The "repainted" kits exhibit evidence of paint over-spray inside, and come with the later split-bead RGK with simple patch loop. I note the "Green" kits show evidence of storage in some cases, with dried oil residue on the steel oiler head screw and inside the tin lid above it. Lastly, the plate on the bottom of the plastic oiler is made of steel or alloy...although one has been reported having a brass plate (maybe it is plated on one side and was installed upside-down?). Condition of kit contents are usually as new. My guess is some of the kits which had the most wear on the tin got repainted for the re-enactor market.
Amended 11/6/20:
There is now a EB seller in Poland whom is offering these kits. He states:
"German WWII Wehrmacht rifle cleaning kit Reinigungsgeräte 34. The set is in perfect condition, complete with all elements: there are two brushes, bakelite oiler and folding cleaning rod in the container. It is a reproduction, or rather early post war production item, made just after the war in the same factory which was producing for the Wehrmacht. The size, the shape and the content are just the same like in wartime examples. It has never been used, it spent long years in some military storage".
Not sure what to make of his comment. With so many PW German kits on the market, can't see where it would be cost-effective to reproduce these. Also, under Soviet occupation and control, doubt there was a need for such cleaning kits as well...unless they were aimed at some export market.
Recently acquired the pictured kit from Ebay seller "zpoznania". He offers kits either for auction or BIN. What I have observed is his kits which are painted "Green" are described as: "Nice original German surplus K98 cleaning kit, for use with G43, K98 and other rifles. Overall very good condition. original finish, everything included as pictured, oiler, cleaning bundle, 2 brushes, brush and pull through chain. This is in good condition with some scratches, small dents and paint loss." He also offers repainted kits (referred to as such) in "field green" and "dunkelgelb". All kits are unattributed.
The "Green" kits have a greenish-gray color and gloss finish. Of note is the design of the tin, which is the early pattern without reinforcement rib. It appears these kits come with a early type RGK consisting of a metal swivel-patch loop and 65 alloy beads. The "repainted" kits exhibit evidence of paint over-spray inside, and come with the later split-bead RGK with simple patch loop. I note the "Green" kits show evidence of storage in some cases, with dried oil residue on the steel oiler head screw and inside the tin lid above it. Lastly, the plate on the bottom of the plastic oiler is made of steel or alloy...although one has been reported having a brass plate (maybe it is plated on one side and was installed upside-down?). Condition of kit contents are usually as new. My guess is some of the kits which had the most wear on the tin got repainted for the re-enactor market.
Amended 11/6/20:
There is now a EB seller in Poland whom is offering these kits. He states:
"German WWII Wehrmacht rifle cleaning kit Reinigungsgeräte 34. The set is in perfect condition, complete with all elements: there are two brushes, bakelite oiler and folding cleaning rod in the container. It is a reproduction, or rather early post war production item, made just after the war in the same factory which was producing for the Wehrmacht. The size, the shape and the content are just the same like in wartime examples. It has never been used, it spent long years in some military storage".
Not sure what to make of his comment. With so many PW German kits on the market, can't see where it would be cost-effective to reproduce these. Also, under Soviet occupation and control, doubt there was a need for such cleaning kits as well...unless they were aimed at some export market.
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Very interesting. One of my associates has a P & E on the way. In finding the various W. German kits, some are marked inside the patch compartment lid (or rather one of the assemblers did it that way) rather than the usual component lid. Often when offered for sale, a seller only takes a photo of the open component lid and not the patch compartment one. My experience has been, should you contact them to find out if there are any manufacturer markings in either lid, one typically has a 1 in 5 shot at receiving a response...let alone what the marking is if present...
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Guillaume d'Orange
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Discovered this thread recently.
Could WBC be WaBeCO or Walter Blombach & Co ?
They are in the tool-making business since 1885:
www.wabeco-remscheid.de
Could WBC be WaBeCO or Walter Blombach & Co ?
They are in the tool-making business since 1885:
Maschinenmanufakur seit 1885 - Wabeco
Im Jahr 1885 gründete Walter Blombach, der Urgroßvater der heutigen Inhaberin Birgit Lennartz, in Klausen bei Remscheid eine Feilenhauerei als Familienbetrieb. Der Vertrieb dieser Erzeugnisse in viele Länder erfolgte schon im 19. Jahrhundert über Remscheider, Hamburger und Bremer Exporteure. Um...
www.wabeco-remscheid.de
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Decided this previous submission was the most appropriate place for the HKW pictured. A few are currently being offered through that well known auction site via a seller in Canada. In looking at this HKW, my guess is it may be the third tool from the bottom pictured in post #4. That one has a rounded, concave heel and is not a bent, flat piece of steel like the other three pictured. Will know more when my example arrives...
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BTW, I ordered a second HKW as well. The seller apparently has more than the six he initially offered. In fact, he mentioned they vary in condition and he has some HKWs with more lite rust or patina to the metal, too. I believe seller acquired a quantity from the source mentioned in post #4.
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I got two of the same and was not pleased, either. I sent him a somewhat terse message and received a very conciliatory response and offer of a refund. However, based on shipping, etc. I did not feel right about this. So, proposed a partial refund for each HKW be made, which he accepted. In order he get Ebay fee credit for each transaction, I initiated a return based on "Item not as described or pictured". Seller has not been down this road before, so told him what to expect. Ball is currently in his court and my hope is this will work out OK. Seller at one time did have some of the HKWs pictured, but they were the first to run out, so just kept the same listing but supplying flat-butt tools instead. He knows the difference now and I will update this post when I know more. Still looking for the early GECO marked tin and later (small in lid) marked GECO kits, so maybe someday the tools will find a home after all.
* Addendum 4/6/22: Seller and I came to a mutual agreement and I ended up keeping both tools. Will give him credit for doing the right thing. Though I already had a few of these tools, couldn't hurt to have a couple more...
** Addendum 5/1/24: Seller had changed to using photo of a "flat-butt" steel HKW some months after being called out for "bait & switch" tactic. However, has changed to using the earlier pattern tool again. From his item description, he must have obtained some additional stock of the pattern from? This is also reflected by his current BIN price of close to $50.00, since he knows the difference and demand for that pattern...
* Addendum 4/6/22: Seller and I came to a mutual agreement and I ended up keeping both tools. Will give him credit for doing the right thing. Though I already had a few of these tools, couldn't hurt to have a couple more...
** Addendum 5/1/24: Seller had changed to using photo of a "flat-butt" steel HKW some months after being called out for "bait & switch" tactic. However, has changed to using the earlier pattern tool again. From his item description, he must have obtained some additional stock of the pattern from? This is also reflected by his current BIN price of close to $50.00, since he knows the difference and demand for that pattern...
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I think they would go best with sauerkraut and a side of kartoffelsalat...
Found a W. German Rg34 online for sale. The behalter was unattributed with forest green applied paint displaying moderate service use. Components are as pictured. What I found unusual is the RGK, being composed of blued, twisted wire with alloy beads bearing a distinctive side crimp. Wire loop ends are 90 degrees opposed, as is typical for many post-WW2 RGKs. I was under the impression the chain links were still of the "S"-type, but twisted 90 degrees on one end. This example appears to have suffered some severe damage as well. Is this something unusual or just seems so because we rarely find such RGKs "exposed" and can see in this one what is hidden within the crimped beads?
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Was looking online and found a unattributed W.German kit with unusual marking on the lid. Seller mentioned in the item description the following:
Mit Stempelungen (Logo / Abzeichen / Hamburg Wappen? = With stamps (logo / badge / Hamburg coat of arms? Thoughts?
Also, attaching a link to another post with a "Land Police" marked kit as well:
www.k98kforum.com
Mit Stempelungen (Logo / Abzeichen / Hamburg Wappen? = With stamps (logo / badge / Hamburg coat of arms? Thoughts?
Also, attaching a link to another post with a "Land Police" marked kit as well:
Post war rg34
Picked this up with 2 9mm rg34 .What country and what do the marks mean?
www.k98kforum.com
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