waw44
Member
So serious question. This site has both forums as well as extensive reference articles. Why wait until after you bought it to do research and ask about it?
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So serious question. This site has both forums as well as extensive reference articles. Why wait until after you bought it to do research and ask about it?
CrayolaVeteran
Member
Yeah, after doing a lot of research and hearing from all of you I’ve come to a conclusion that I’m going to try and contact the auction house and make a non payment claim. Fact is the description of the rifle states condition as “overall good” not to mentioned not a single word about what’s been slapped onto it. If I can’t oh well it’ll make a good shooter but seems to me a have a pretty good case for non payment.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
I wasn't trying to be too harsh. It's your call but at that price point I would try to return it. Can't hurt to ask if that's how you're leaning.
CrayolaVeteran
Member
Well to be honest I thought I had a sufficient knowledge base enough to recognize a decent rifle. Wasn’t the case I suppose. To my eye I didn’t see anything wrong with the gun as in not suppose to be there like that Jerry rigged rear scope mount. Originally was just looking for an answer to what that was and learned I bought a crap rifle apparently.
John Strunk
Senior Member
Based on the rear claw base, I'm guessing the metal in front of the receiver was where the front base for the claws was suppose to be attached. The prior owner most likely screwed up and purchased the wrong kind of claw mount/bases that were not made for a 98 receiver. In that, he more than likely obtained the claw mounts that were designed to have the front section mounted to the barrel of the rifle.
waw44
Member
Lemons --> lemonade. Depending on what your collection focus is, sell it or keep as a shooter. If it's something that will always bother you, sell it and chalk it up to lessons learned.
M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
I think he had to try to get more height for a front scope mount and then realized he was going to have to drill into the barrel which gave him enough pause to abort the project.
I once got an ad for Harbor Freight that said: “We have got to get rid of these tools so prices are slashed!” And I said WTF if Harbor Freight doesn’t want them I SURE AS HELL DON’T!!
Never go full Harbor Freight retard!!
OP I would tell the auction house / seller that this is not as advertised and may even be dangerous to shoot and refuse to pay. If they ban you so be it, don’t get stuck with this abomination.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
Yeah, the joke about HF is for about 100 bux you can get a corded hand grinder, battery drill, drill bit index, tap and die set and some nice Notzi-ish stamps and BAMM, you're in the humper game. Who wants a Notzi snipper?
CrayolaVeteran
Member
I’ll have to see if I can go that route. I have 7 days to pay so I’ll have to get it done within that time frame. Funny enough they have a nice little disclaimer on their terms of service that reads something like “we are not responsible for incorrect or inaccurate descriptions, it is the sole responsibility of the buyer to assess the quality of the firearm and all sales are conducted on an as is basis”. Neat ain’t it.
Herk1994
Senior Member
I don’t mean to be rude but I must suggest that you had two very clear red flags here, the barrel and the mount. Assuming those pictures you’ve attached are the ones you viewed and made your determination with, then the auction house is actually in the right.
My point is, you made a clear mistake in thinking this was a good rifle. A mistake that could have been mitigated with a very mild amount of research. Don’t make yourself a victim and blame the auction house. They did their job and provided you with pictures. And pictures are worth a thousand words….
Just my two cents. I get no enjoyment from your dilemma, but I also respect personal responsibility.
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CrayolaVeteran
Member
With all do respect they didn’t do their job. I don’t consider blatant lies and leaving out important information on the quality of the rifle doing their job. Only reason I came here was because after many hours of trying to find out what that mount was I found no answers. Here I’ve found many answers and I’m thankful for that so I know for future reference. On the same token, I am aware I jumped the gun on bidding for the rifle in a kind of scramble not to lose it as 98K’s don’t come up for sale very often. When it comes to selling something, it is the responsibility often legal responsibility of the seller to disclose important information on the item. Such as saying “good quality rifle” when in fact it is not. The very basis of them alone having such inaccurate descriptions should be a lawsuit in itself. Don’t get me wrong, I should’ve done more research prior to purchasing, I fully realize that. But I also shouldn’t have to. I should be able to rely on the information from the seller when that seller is an accredited business and not some guy at a gun show for instance.
biggymu
Well-known member
Unfortunately, now you know the real truth, buying a K98k is a minefield. Many rifles you will encounter will be altered to enhance value. Renumbered, swapped parts, sanded stocks; outright lies by many notorious sellers. You are the guy they’re waiting for. But we’ve been waiting for you too. Welcome, learn with us. We’ve all been there. Now we’re all here. Good luck!
Herk1994
Senior Member
Unfortunately that’s just not the way things are these days. You have to do your due diligence. They may not know enough to call it incorrect themselves, who knows. In my opinion, as a guy that’s made mistakes like you, I still feel it is the responsibility of the buyer. Too many people hit the buy button too quickly these days.
In any case, you’re ahead by coming here. Most will never see this site, and many will continue to get burned in the hobby.
AN-94
Well-known member
Hate to say it but most collecting hobbies have a niche that are a minefield. Met a guy who spent $3k online on what he thought was an uncommon antique windmill weight (the roosters on the back of windmills, yeah those) only to find out it was a more contemporary sand casting of one when it came time to pick it up. You wouldn't think that someone would go through the trouble of doing that but if there's money to be made, there's someone out there trying to make a buck off it. My advice is if you're buying a collectible of any kind, you buy the reference books first so that you don't get burned when it comes time for the real deal. This rifle is a lesson that you'll learn from. It stings now but when you finally pick up an honest rifle, the knowledge you learned and continue to learn from this will be worth it.
waw44
Member
If you haven't paid, then sure, you can refuse to complete the sale. Are you morally and legally right. No, you're not. Your post about the seller having the responsibility is just you making up excuses after the fact. They put up a rifle, had its pictures, and gave you all the opportunity in the world to do your research. You didn't, and now you want to back out. What works in your favor is that they will likely not bother to pursue you, because the trouble of suing you is not worth their time. If we were talking about a $500,000 piece of art, sure, it will be different, but this is not that.
So go ahead, be a douche, and refuse to pay. You will get banned from the auction site, but it will likely be the worse that will happen.
So go ahead, be a douche, and refuse to pay. You will get banned from the auction site, but it will likely be the worse that will happen.
