SSR for Review All Matching

[SVW1945]

Here is a SSR 147 1940. I was just offered. Need to know if it is all original. Has a leather check piece marked 1942 with maker on the leather can see in photo. Never seen anything like this. Could be RARE? or something else. Its been on the rifle a Long time. Rifle is all matching. No Scope came with it. Nothing I can see on the mount that is marked. Hopefully some one can tell me about this Rifle. I can load more photos if need be.

 

[frankie]

According to a source I just viewed, Sauer did not build a SSR until 1941.... Also, Sauer stocks were not completely cut out for the mount base, as in your pics, but had a portion of the side wood left intact.

 

[biggymu]

The cheek piece is interesting.

 

[mdarnell19]

I’m going to use MrFarb’s logic because it works, it‘s a short side rail….. so it’s fake. 99.99999999% of short side rails I have seen in my life are fake. Were they made during the war? Absolutely. Do they still exists today? Almost none do.

 

[mrfarb]

I’ll agree with some sentiments here - I don’t trust any SSR but for sure any pre-41 Sauer SSR, and would never trust any Sauer SSR without a matching mount. Cut out is incorrect for Sauer. There may very well be some legit pre 41’s but I’ve never seen one I liked.

With the quality of fakes, if I see one thing wrong on a sniper I stop looking (like the stock cutout in this one). Would probably end up passing on a real one because of that but also keep me from ever owning a fake one (but I’d never own one).

 

[DogDoc]

I’ll agree with some sentiments here - I don’t trust any SSR but for sure any pre-41 Sauer SSR, and would never trust any Sauer SSR without a matching mount. Cut out is incorrect for Sauer. There may very well be some legit pre 41’s but I’ve never seen one I liked.

With the quality of fakes, if I see one thing wrong on a sniper I stop looking (like the stock cutout in this one). Would probably end up passing on a real one because of that but also keep me from ever owning a fake one (but I’d never own one).

Couple of academic questions, mrfarb:
1. Is the cutout on the stock incorrect at the back end and if not, where?
2. Does the SSR look correct?

 

[mrfarb]

1. Sauer did not completely cut the stock out for the mount, they relieved the inner stock.

2. No clue, too many original bases floating around.

 

[mdarnell19]

The issue with Short side rails (and Sauer ones specifically) is not only are they extremely rare and easy to fake, but the bigger issue for me is the lack of clues (or signs) to look for to determine if they are real. And there very few to study for comparison. Out side of the matching scope how can you tell? Compare it to a late war turret which has: an extra inspection on the receiver, a numbered barrel, a numbered stock, a shortened safety, a take down disk in the stock, a tang inspection, a number inspection on receiver and stock channel and possibly matching scope. Short side rails are a fakers wet dream.

Oh and FYI, on this one the OP posted, I am not crazy about the base and screws. Dave the "Short Side Rail Collector" Roberts will be along shortly to tell us more about the base.

 

[Absolut]

Not original for the already mentioned reasons. The stock cutout is of the SS pattern and not Sauer pattern, plus all known (legit) Sauer SSR sniper rifles have the ce coded receivers. The screw heads look wrong too.

Did you check the SSR base whether it has any assembly number either at front, backside or bottom?

Anyway, I'd pass on this one.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Not an Original IMHO , the locking screws are completely wrong . IMHO the SSR Base is Original and will most likely have pairing number on underside .
The Mounting screws or should I say at least the front/far left mounting screw looks to be original .

I am posting a couple pics of an Original UnIssued/UnUsed SSR which shows the Pairing # . Also pic showing what original Mounting & Locking Screws look like . Mounting & Locking Screws can vary as can be seen in the posted photos some have no machining marks and some show very noticeable machining marks . Pic listed SSR 2 shows a Mount & Base with same pairing numbers . Pic listed SSR 3 is an original SSR Base with original mounting & locking screws , although the base is original the action that the base is mounted on is not an original SSR action .

 

[SVW1945]

Not an Original IMHO , the locking screws are completely wrong . IMHO the SSR Base is Original and will most likely have pairing number on underside .
The Mounting screws or should I say at least the front/far left mounting screw looks to be original .

I am posting a couple pics of an Original UnIssued/UnUsed SSR which shows the Pairing # . Also pic showing what original Mounting & Locking Screws look like . Mounting & Locking Screws can vary as can be seen in the posted photos some have no machining marks and some show very noticeable machining marks . Pic listed SSR 2 shows a Mount & Base with same pairing numbers . Pic listed SSR 3 is an original SSR Base with original mounting & locking screws , although the base is original the action that the base is mounted on is not an original SSR action .

No Pairing numbers underneath the base. I looked all over. No numbers or anything marked.

 

[biggymu]

How about the cheek rest? Is that a wartime issue item for German snipers? I’ve not seen one before

 

[Dave Roberts]

No Pairing numbers underneath the base. I looked all over. No numbers or anything marked.

It would have helped if the Base had a # to verify it is Original . I can say with certainty that the early SSR Base did not have a pairing # and I am still very confident that the Base is a Original WW2 SSR Base . Regardless of the bases originality the rifle is not an original SSR .

I would also point out if You look at the inside of the receiver the screws do not come all the way to the inner face of the receiver and they should . I would not expect the ends of the screws to look fresh cut and in the white for a rifle built so long ago .

 

[mrfarb]

Cheek rest looks like a Czech made item to me, has similar characteristics to some Czech fakes. Looks silly to me, so I’d say it’s a sniper fantasy item.

 

[SVW1945]

It would have helped if the Base had a # to verify it is Original . I can say with certainty that the early SSR Base did not have a pairing # and I am still very confident that the Base is a Original WW2 SSR Base . Regardless of the bases originality the rifle is not an original SSR .

I would also point out if You look at the inside of the receiver the screws do not come all the way to the inner face of the receiver and they should . I would not expect the ends of the screws to look fresh cut and in the white for a rifle built so long ago .

Here is a better photo of the screws Dave,They are not white ,They look blued to me.

 

[SVW1945]

Cheek rest looks like a Czech made item to me, has similar characteristics to some Czech fakes. Looks silly to me, so I’d say it’s a sniper fantasy item.

The writing on the leather is J Martin Puchner, Bamburg 1942. Which I only can find a German who wrote a book during the war. About a secret code.

 

[biggymu]

Here is a better photo of the screws Dave,They are not while ,They look blued to me.

That base, the area around it and screw holes are so squeaky clean, no grease, lint or dirt in any of the crevasses. Looks to be recently installed.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Here is a better photo of the screws Dave,They are not while ,They look blued to me.

Yes the screws do appear to be blued on the ends , which would be correct for original screws . Here is Your photo from original post , You can see the screws do not fill the screw holes they should not stop short , the screws should be flush with inner wall of the Receiver. The Mounting screws should fill the hole and all the threads of the receiver these do not .

 

[SVW1945]

Yes the screws do appear to be blued on the ends , which would be correct for original screws . Here is Your photo from original post , You can see the screws do not fill the screw holes they should not stop short , the screws should be flush with inner wall of the Receiver. The Mounting screws should fill the hole and all the threads of the receiver these do not .

I appreciate all the help from you guys. This rifle fell in to my lap. From a old friend that had past away last year. I know he had it a long time. I never got a close look at it intill the one guy who was selling his stuff told me about it and dropped it off at my house to maybe buy it. But I did not know shite about ssr rifles. So I posted here to fine out if it was a real ssr or post war put together..he all so had a 243 1939 luft rifle all matching which I bought. So I'm going by what you guys have said about this rifle. Which I trust your opinions. So I will pass on buying the rifle.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Here is a photo of a Sauer Rifle showing inner receiver and the screws and pins for comparison to the one You are looking at . Notice the screws are flush with inner wall of receiver .