Sauer LSR

[Dave Roberts]

I would agree that the majority of U block mounts I have seen are also machined ring . I have to see if I can locate the pics of the Narrow Band U suffix . I sold the Rifle Mount & Scope a number of years ago now .

No need to find the photos now because Antonio posted pics of this LSR Narrow Band U suffix Mount that I spoke of and that once belonged to me.

 

[k98zf39]

Not quite sure of chisel type font vs U shaped font. This is an original mount and the shape of the stamp appears to have made a U shaped channel. You can see a definite bottom. It does not come to a V.

 

[k98zf39]

You can see the bounce and secondary weak impressions when the 8s were struck.

 

[Hercules]

Not quite sure of chisel type font vs U shaped font. This is an original mount and the shape of the stamp appears to have made a U shaped channel. You can see a definite bottom. It does not come to a V.

The chisel type refers to the letter and number depth appearance. The post war dies are more rounded and war time dies are v shaped.

 

[tonino7]

I would agree that the majority of U block mounts I have seen are also machined ring . I have to see if I can locate the pics of the Narrow Band U suffix . I sold the Rifle Mount & Scope a number of years ago now .

Dave , here you have photos of my Narrow Band U suffix mount .

 

[mrfarb]

Let me show you how to spot engraved numbers - red arrow pointing at the end of the 5 showing the rounded edge. See the red arrow pointing at the u - squared edge. This is the first sign of engraving, as engraving tools have a round head and spin. Older dies were made by hand with a chisel.

The original process is a number or letter is hand chiseled into a steel plate. Once it’s perfect, the plate is hardened. Then, a steel ingot is heated until soft and struck into the die, leaving a copy in the ingot which is then hardened, then made into a punch. Now, numbers are engraved into a plate and then the same process is used.

This won’t be a useful tool to spot fakes in the future because only the lazy fakers will keep doing it.

 

[biggymu]

Dave , here you have photos of my Narrow Band U suffix mount .

This is one number away from the OP’s scope. These stamps look almost identical to the ones being questioned. Neither even vaguely resemble 8082u above.
Worn stamps? Both fake?

 

[k98zf39]

Dave , here you have photos of my Narrow Band U suffix mount .

I don’t know. I would guess that this mount is original and the font on the numbers looks the same to me and is only one number higher. The 5 and the 9 have rounded ends.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Let me show you how to spot engraved numbers - red arrow pointing at the end of the 5 showing the rounded edge. See the red arrow pointing at the u - squared edge. This is the first sign of engraving, as engraving tools have a round head and spin. Older dies were made by hand with a chisel.

The original process is a number or letter is hand chiseled into a steel plate. Once it’s perfect, the plate is hardened. Then, a steel ingot is heated until soft and struck into the die, leaving a copy in the ingot which is then hardened, then made into a punch. Now, numbers are engraved into a plate and then the same process is used.

This won’t be a useful tool to spot fakes in the future because only the lazy fakers will keep doing it.

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Mike , I have to disagree with you and here is why . Here is 3 different Sauer LSR Mounts look at the number stamps on the pics I posted , a number of these digits have rounded edges , These rounded edges are on a number of the digits , all are Sauer Mounts . It appears that Sauer used different style number stamps/font . The 5 on the 5039 W Mount is same as 5 that you pointed to with the red arrow .

 

[Dave Roberts]

Dave , here you have photos of my Narrow Band U suffix mount .

Antonio Thank You posting it , and incase you were not aware of this fact , Your Narrow Band U suffix mount was my Narrow Band Suffix mount and DKL scope before it became yours . Gods honest truth . I always wondered were that mount ended up . Did you buy it from a collector in Iceland or someone else ???? .

 

[tonino7]

Antonio Thank You posting it , and incase you were not aware of this fact , Your Narrow Band U suffix mount was my Narrow Band Suffix mount and DKL scope before it became yours . Gods honest truth . I always wondered were that mount ended up . Did you buy it from a collector frame Iceland or someone else ???? .

Dave , I bought the mount years ago from our common friend Robert S. from Austria , ( that unfortunately I am no more able to contact from a lot of time). The dkl scope was added after from myself , coming from another austrian collector ( that is member of this group).

 

[mrfarb]

Mike , I have to disagree with you and here is why . Here is 3 different Sauer LSR Mounts look at the number stamps on the pics I posted , a number of these digits have rounded edges , These rounded edges are on a number of the digits , all are Sauer Mounts . It appears that Sauer used different style number stamps/font . The 5 on the 5039 W Mount is same as 5 that you pointed to with the red arrow .

The only one that looks questionable to me from these photos is the 5639w, the others are square edge fonts (save for that oddball 7). It’s difficult to know exactly from photos, which is why I have never given an evaluation of a sniper from photos.

 

[Hercules]

It looks pretty obvious to me the over stamped U block mount has been force matched is humped. It’s not hard to tell if you have good photos.

 

[Hercules]

The only one that looks questionable to me from these photos is the 5639w, the others are square edge fonts (save for that oddball 7). It’s difficult to know exactly from photos, which is why I have never given an evaluation of a sniper from photos.

Yes the 5639W mount numbers look weird. Would need more photos. Ha Ha.

 

[k98zf39]

After all the information that has come to light here I think it is anything but obvious that the renumbered mount I posted is humped. It will always be questioned, but I feel better about it now after comparing it to a number of original mounts.

 

[mrfarb]

Yes the 5639W mount numbers look weird. Would need more photos. Ha Ha.

It absolutely could be real, but I’m surprised there isn’t a verified font for JPS mounts that is accepted - it’s like Steyr font, Mauser Font, etc. I find it hard to believe all of the mounts Dave posted are accepted, only 2 fonts are the same…….but I’m not a sniper collector and never worked on something like this.

 

[Hercules]

It absolutely could be real, but I’m surprised there isn’t a verified font for JPS mounts that is accepted - it’s like Steyr font, Mauser Font, etc. I find it hard to believe all of the mounts Dave posted are accepted, only 2 fonts are the same…….but I’m not a sniper collector and never worked on something like this.

I was just laughing as its my mount. I think its OK, but I agree with you on your summation.

 

[Hercules]

Here are some more of my mounts for comparison. I have had a run on these Sauer mounts lately. They all have different scopes in them, so its not like I am a hoarder or anything. Yes, I collect scopes. I would like a nice scope as much as a really cool rifle.

Mount 5639w is listed here again in another photo. It looks OK to me, but I am open for other opinions. The mount itself is perfect in every way as far as being original. The numbers have not been ground or over struck obviously.

 

[Hercules]

It absolutely could be real, but I’m surprised there isn’t a verified font for JPS mounts that is accepted - it’s like Steyr font, Mauser Font, etc. I find it hard to believe all of the mounts Dave posted are accepted, only 2 fonts are the same…….but I’m not a sniper collector and never worked on something like this.

I think the Sauer fonts all kind of run a little weird. I had to do a lot of comparison shopping on fonts when I bought my LSR 8431U. I had to look at lots of different rifles before I was happy with the numbers.

 

[Hercules]

After all the information that has come to light here I think it is anything but obvious that the renumbered mount I posted is humped. It will always be questioned, but I feel better about it now after comparing it to a number of original mounts.

I mentioned in my first post that a lot times it is a personal call. The fonts look really close, but to me they don't look quite right. Being over stamped and force matched to a rifle looks suspicious. I have never seen a recycled LSR mount before this one. I personally would not be happy with it.