Sauer LSR 909ff CE Marked Receiver
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mauser99
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have to agree.. Id say the original stock was lost. Ive had two in hand Larry O'conner is a member here he has one. Not in the best of shape but real.. Saw it in hand @ sos 2010-12 ? cant recall the year. At this point JPS was still notching only the inside of the wood like on a SSR. but these are so scarce just having one in any way shape or form is a feat for anyone..
If you look close the cut out is a bit sloppier than a factory LSR. Id still be happy to own it !! congrats..
If you look close the cut out is a bit sloppier than a factory LSR. Id still be happy to own it !! congrats..
That is a hard to find Barreled Receiver sadly thought the Base is not the correct for this variant and also the Stock Cutout is not correct for this variant
Here is a photo of a completely matching rifle which is only 4 rifles earlier than the barreled action Brian posted .
I am also posting a link to another later CE44 that was posted here awhile back .
https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/ce-44-lsr-sniper-gunshow-find.39971/
Here is a photo of a completely matching rifle which is only 4 rifles earlier than the barreled action Brian posted .
I am also posting a link to another later CE44 that was posted here awhile back .
https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/ce-44-lsr-sniper-gunshow-find.39971/
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Hercules
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Stock is an original Menzel C marked stock for Gustloff LSR with checkered Butt Plate. It's an original LSR base on there I added. No number except hard to read WaA on front face as normal. Base fit with no alterations. Information is lacking on these early bases. I've heard rumors the bottom of base should be beveled for early Sauer LSR and marked Sauer WaA 37 instead Walther WaA 359. Those WaA are hard to read and often times could be confused by collectors to be a different number. If there are written records the bases were made at Sauer or HWZ for example for Sauer instead of Walther then I am not aware of this information? I think it is likely guy who assembled these may have added bevel at Sauer onto the normal looking mount. If this is the difference mentioned above? Most of the examples early Sauer LSR Receivers I have seen are not drilled. That is what makes this one different. The 3 hole gun in another thread with heat marks looks post war to me personally (If anyone remembers that discussion).
My focus was the Sniper receiver with hand stamped 909 on receiver and WaA 37 on receiver like Sauer turrets. I assumed if and when there would be replies then this discussion would occur. Stock and rest are not present, except the matching trigger guard.
Great to know the added information. It adds to base level of information and why I shared this information I posted. Side views of these are lacking and I did not get to see the Sauer LSR at SOS discussed above. So much unknown information on these.
Edit: Its hard to remember every thread. The link is posted above. Maybe the heat marked LSR Sauer was possibly real. It has the bevel and number at bottom. The heat marks are weird though and obviously add an element of doubt. That would be quite a coincidence though if not real due to that scope rail. Where is anyone likely to match those two things together (Sauer LSR rifle and rail).
My focus was the Sniper receiver with hand stamped 909 on receiver and WaA 37 on receiver like Sauer turrets. I assumed if and when there would be replies then this discussion would occur. Stock and rest are not present, except the matching trigger guard.
Great to know the added information. It adds to base level of information and why I shared this information I posted. Side views of these are lacking and I did not get to see the Sauer LSR at SOS discussed above. So much unknown information on these.
Edit: Its hard to remember every thread. The link is posted above. Maybe the heat marked LSR Sauer was possibly real. It has the bevel and number at bottom. The heat marks are weird though and obviously add an element of doubt. That would be quite a coincidence though if not real due to that scope rail. Where is anyone likely to match those two things together (Sauer LSR rifle and rail).
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Here is a pic of the Base from the Rifle in the linked thread , its number to rifle same as other known originals in data base , if You notice the stock inletting is the same on these variants stock have a small inletting channel rather than a cut out .
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Hercules
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Yes. Will be on the look out for a Sauer Rail with serial, bevel, and odd style. I wonder if at some point in the early CE LSR sequence Sauer dropped the Sauer Rail and transitioned to the standard WaA 359 Walther mount. My friend has a Sauer Stock I am going to get and notch like the above one for display purposes until I can find a more complete rifle maybe someday.
Never seen a scope and mount numbered for an early Sauer Rifle. All the scopes and mounts I have as well as the ones I have recorded are the late war Sauer serial number sequence.
Never seen a scope and mount numbered for an early Sauer Rifle. All the scopes and mounts I have as well as the ones I have recorded are the late war Sauer serial number sequence.
Very interesting to see. I was not aware that there were a few examples of this variant known to exist.
I wonder why these got the e/37 as well as turrets yet normal LSR production did not. Numbering the barrel makes sense.
Thanks for sharing.
I wonder why these got the e/37 as well as turrets yet normal LSR production did not. Numbering the barrel makes sense.
Thanks for sharing.
mauser99
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we can only assume its a transition piece. Treated the same way as the HT's proofed in the sniper shop built along side the HT's. The later Lsr's this practice was obviously phased out..
Interesting both are ff suffix which makes perfect sense.. Also interesting is the Erma/Fiema developed the thick wall lsr dedicated receiver then it was handed off to astra werke as receiver production was slowed or haulted there.. Overall a super scarce variant..
Interesting both are ff suffix which makes perfect sense.. Also interesting is the Erma/Fiema developed the thick wall lsr dedicated receiver then it was handed off to astra werke as receiver production was slowed or haulted there.. Overall a super scarce variant..
biggymu
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Yes! Please.
I would also like to see pics of the Mount also if You don't mind because the owner of the rifle that I showed the one photo of told me that a typical LSR Mount will not fit on his rifles base . Does the mount on your rifle match the rifle ?? .
Hercules
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Here are more photos 905ff. Posted with permission of owner. He said a Walther mounted scope does not fit on this rail. So, there must be an early series Sauer mounted scope somewhere. Would fit loose as Walther mounted scope too small.
Edit: Already posted Walther mounted scope does not fit Sauer rail. Did not see.
Edit: Already posted Walther mounted scope does not fit Sauer rail. Did not see.
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Absolut
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Is the mount visible in one pic matching numbers?
CE 44 LSR Sniper - Gunshow Find
This walked into the gun show yesterday. I spotted it, pointed it out to my FFL buddy, and he scooped it up. The previous owner said it belonged to his father who had passed and brought it home from the war. He said he remembered the rifle always being around his entire life but didn't know...
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R.Blue
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Hey Dave-
Sorry for the delay..I’ve been out.
The mount, I believe/suspect, for 118ff is a repro so I’m not sure. It isn’t numbered but there is a waffenampt. It fits like a glove and this is my “shooter” example.
The rifle has a matching bolt, trigger guard and floor plate but the barrel bands are not matching.
The stock is an even bigger mess…it’s unmarked on the outside and inside the original numbers have been penciled out and 118 has been penciled in…it’s also so sanded and has a smooth butt plate ( which probably is correct for this variant).
The scope is a Hendsoldt single post reticle.
Sorry for the delay..I’ve been out.
The mount, I believe/suspect, for 118ff is a repro so I’m not sure. It isn’t numbered but there is a waffenampt. It fits like a glove and this is my “shooter” example.
The rifle has a matching bolt, trigger guard and floor plate but the barrel bands are not matching.
The stock is an even bigger mess…it’s unmarked on the outside and inside the original numbers have been penciled out and 118 has been penciled in…it’s also so sanded and has a smooth butt plate ( which probably is correct for this variant).
The scope is a Hendsoldt single post reticle.
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Hercules
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I put my barrel and receiver in a Sauer Made stock I cut posted above. New Photos added above.
I am going to try this mount below on a friends rifle who has the whole CE 43 marked LSR except the scope and mount. Any opinions on mount? Will be fitted in a couple weeks. If it fits then I'm sure a deal will be made if he wants it. It's marked like a 1944 X Block Mount and most of these drilled guns I have seen so far are ff letter block. Maybe it's for a CE marked LSR receiver that got used in X block. Maybe for a X Block 1943 or 1944. Well it's an unknown and I don't think there are any others to make a comparison that I know of.
It has been milled on the inside edge to clear the receiver. Like I would expect a real one to be like for CE Marker Receiver Sauer Rail. I have had this mount in my collection for several years and just dug it out. See photos. Maybe it will fit?
I am going to try this mount below on a friends rifle who has the whole CE 43 marked LSR except the scope and mount. Any opinions on mount? Will be fitted in a couple weeks. If it fits then I'm sure a deal will be made if he wants it. It's marked like a 1944 X Block Mount and most of these drilled guns I have seen so far are ff letter block. Maybe it's for a CE marked LSR receiver that got used in X block. Maybe for a X Block 1943 or 1944. Well it's an unknown and I don't think there are any others to make a comparison that I know of.
It has been milled on the inside edge to clear the receiver. Like I would expect a real one to be like for CE Marker Receiver Sauer Rail. I have had this mount in my collection for several years and just dug it out. See photos. Maybe it will fit?
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