S/42G at Legacy - 5600b

[bruce98k]

All of the examples I have owned over the years had only the last 2-digits stamped on the bolt shroud.
Certainly by the rollover to S/42 1936 (r block) the consistent application of 4-digits was standard.
However, throughout the run you see some blocks with the full 4-digits so it was not uniform
I would expect an early gun like 5600b to show the early numbering pattern.

 

[Stephan98k]

The old white shite in the numbers…….. use caution

You're right and if that white crap is only on the bolt group and not the rest of the rifle, you should look even more suspiciously.

Actually this forgery was very easy to spot and RyanE explained it very well with the font. In my opinion, this example shows again that you should first deal intensively with just one manufacturer/assembler and only turn to another one as your experience increases. If you do not follow this rule and you have doubts, you should look into the K98k books or contact one of our experienced members before you buy such a rifle.

If we are talking about the details that the fraudsters don't do correctly, then of course they also have instructions to do it "better"the next time and so it's a double-edged sword. Nevertheless we should discuss it and it should also be a warning to the fraudsters, because we do not give away all the information to identify the fakes and we will recognize them. In addition almost every gun has left a mark on the internet and spreadsheets, every fraudster should be aware of this and they should keep in mind we have "V-weapons" like Paul Shomper.

I like these posts and it's great how much care is taken here to prevent harm to serious collectors. I hope the collector can return it and the hand should rot away from whoever was committing this fraud.

 

[mauser99]

They are simply ignorant. And they probably don't care if they sell fake stuff.

This isn't some indictment of Legacy in particular, all dealers are that way. Its a business, and they don't know everything or care to. Tom is probably a perfectly nice guy, but he isn't an expert and never will be.

Its your responsibility to know what you are buying.

This was well said.. I don't know him well but, Im sure he'd rather not be dragged through the mud and would happily give a refund.. These guys are now pushing high volume. And with that stuff like this will happen..
At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions and purchases. No one at Legacy has the knowledge of any seasoned collector here. I know they do have people to reach out to help on items if needed. This may have come in with that batch of 98's just listed and sold. A mismatch of good and bad and restored items.. Caveat as always is Buyer beware ! Know your product...

Its hard to see the bolt in these photos but there are a few different techniques used over the years, having really good stamps made for a one off is expensive. The engraving route came and went as well. The white paint does hide the sin a bit and it should be a red flag now for all.... This was also done in the 80's and 90's when it was termed cool and we all are guilty of it to some extent.. Just like big hair and fluff metal it came and went..

 

[Bob in OHIO]

FYI...

SOLD - Beautiful, Rare Mauser K98 - G Date

10/5/23 - This is a beautiful example of a rare and early Mauser K98 that was made in 1935, at a time when the Germans were still hiding military small arms production in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. The rifle is all original with matching parts throughout. It has retained nearly...

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[SVW1945]

FYI...

SOLD - Beautiful, Rare Mauser K98 - G Date

10/5/23 - This is a beautiful example of a rare and early Mauser K98 that was made in 1935, at a time when the Germans were still hiding military small arms production in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. The rifle is all original with matching parts throughout. It has retained nearly...

www.legacy-collectibles.com

Someone got boned. That sucks

 

[CornKing91]

FYI...

SOLD - Beautiful, Rare Mauser K98 - G Date

10/5/23 - This is a beautiful example of a rare and early Mauser K98 that was made in 1935, at a time when the Germans were still hiding military small arms production in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. The rifle is all original with matching parts throughout. It has retained nearly...

www.legacy-collectibles.com

$4500 seems like the "I know the bolt is bad but we are going to let it fly" price...

Maybe legacy and Pre98 are teaming up, with Scotty as the head bolt humper.

 

[Herk1994]

$4500 seems like the "I know the bolt is bad but we are going to let it fly" price...

Maybe legacy and Pre98 are teaming up, with Scotty as the head bolt humper.

I too have moved on from giving them the benefit of the doubt…. They’re too smart to be that dumb.

 

[hale1940]

I too have moved on from giving them the benefit of the doubt…. They’re too smart to be that dumb.

I agree with you Herk. I've been collecting now for about four years, and I consider myself to be moderatly capable but no expert. That bolt was obviously bad to me. Not the worst fake ever, someone clearly put some effort in, but it definetly ain't passing.

Now explain how Tom, a man who has been dealing with German firearms for decades, can't notice this sort of thing. Or at least hires people who can't. Seems awesfully suspect to me.

I think Legacy, like so many dealers, runs on the principle of 'good enough'. If a fake is good enough that they can have plausible deniablity if they get any flak, then its good enough to sell.

I also think the price reflects this. $4500 for what is suposedly a mint matching S/42G DRP rifle seems suspiciously low to me coming from a dealer like Legacy.

 

[Herk1994]

I agree with you Herk. I've been collecting now for about four years, and I consider myself to be moderatly capable but no expert. That bolt was obviously bad to me. Not the worst fake ever, someone clearly put some effort in, but it definetly ain't passing.

Now explain how Tom, a man who has been dealing with German firearms for decades, can't notice this sort of thing. Or at least hires people who can't. Seems awesfully suspect to me.

I think Legacy, like so many dealers, runs on the principle of 'good enough'. If a fake is good enough that they can have plausible deniablity if they get any flak, then its good enough to sell.

I also think the price reflects this. $4500 for what is suposedly a mint matching S/42G DRP rifle seems suspiciously low to me coming from a dealer like Legacy.

You know what they say,

Once is an accident,

Twice is coincidence,

Three times is a trend….

They’ve had more than 3

 

[jsz]

Here is a later s42g, f suffix, with a 4 digit serial number on the shroud.

 

[hale1940]

All of the examples I have owned over the years had only the last 2-digits stamped on the bolt shroud.
Certainly by the rollover to S/42 1936 (r block) the consistent application of 4-digits was standard.
However, throughout the run you see some blocks with the full 4-digits so it was not uniform
I would expect an early gun like 5600b to show the early numbering pattern.

Here is a later s42g, f suffix, with a 4 digit serial number on the shroud.

jsz and Bruce, interesting topic. I actually just looked at my S/42G d block, and it also has a four digit serial on the bolt shroud, but also has a box acceptane beside it. Much like yours jsz.

S/42G sn.9731d

Hey everyone, Thought I’d share a few pics of my most recent acquisition. Its a nice honest S/42G still in factory trim. Rifle clearly saw a lot of use, but remains in decent condition overall. Quite happy with this one, as I wasn’t sure I’d ever get to own a nice original Mauser G date!

www.k98kforum.com

 

[bb57sodak]

Legacy has taken down the link to this rifle. Hopefully, he has refunded the buyer as well.

 

[hale1940]

For what its worth... I managed to grad these before the link went dead.

 

[Metal]

I’d say the machining marks on the end of the C/P scream late war.

 

[Hambone]

As a high end dealer if you can’t spot that renumber hump job and reblue then what else are you not spotting? At those prices and with such sales pitches you get no “benefit of the doubt.” Thanks Bruce and all for posting the pics and calling this out. We need the serial and ID in the thread so that a search finds it. This turd will continuously bob about and wash up on the beach to smear and be stepped on, causing stink on our hobby.

 

[Muncher 1953]

I’d say the machining marks on the end of the C/P scream late war.

with roto-engraved numbers, at least they look so to my eyes.