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Rifle Grenades for the Gewehr 98

chrisftk

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Hi All,

I've been meaning to post this thread for a while, but kept getting sidetracked.

In any case, the Gewehr 98 rifle grenades were always of interest to me. My representative inert collection is small, but these are rather difficult to locate in the US. I noticed that these did not appear to be well documented here in the past, so I thought I would change that. I welcome any additional information, period pictures, or photos of ones any of you may own.

The earlier designs (1913 and 1914 models) required the use of a rod, which was forced down the barrel of the rifle and launched with a special blank. This system was far from perfect and was particularly hard on the barrels. The later 1917 model was launched more akin to the k98k grenades, requiring use of a cup mounted on the muzzle.

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The M1913 was the earliest model- This version was only fielded for a short time. The fuse was an impact type, but the projectile's sleek appearance actually made it rather ineffective; it would bury itself too far into the mud before it ignited.
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The M1914 was an updated model that was intended to fix the shortcomings of the M1913- The projectile was heavier, contained a fuse that armed from the force of launch, and had the option of using a range limiting cup. The idea of the cup was to slow the projectile to better control the where and when the grenade ignited. I have seen photos of the limiter being mounted both ways (concave and convex to the grenade). The second example has a transit plug in place of a fuse-- the idea being transportation safety.
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The final model fielded was the M1917. This system was a vast departure from the rod based system. A cup was counted on the muzzle and an inkpot-shaped grenade inserted into the cup. This was then fired with a special cartridge from the rifle. I have a rough inkpot grenade, but have not yet acquired the launching cup. Pictures of the cup system are from allied docs provided by one of the good friends at Archival Research Group.

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Another interesting accessory was the quadrant used for setting the proper angle of fire. This slid onto the rear sight base of a Gew98 and clipped in with a piece of spring steel. While grenades couple be fired by hand, there was also a specialized stand to secure the rifle for firing grenades- the quadrant was used for rifles mounted in such a device. This one was a tough accessory to find-- my example also appears to be possibly unit marked?
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Thanks for looking.
 
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Another great tutorial Chris. I had an M14 rod grenade years ago and sold it. Where on earth did you find the Quadrant? I don’t even remember seeing pictures of one.
 
Nice display and excellent write up on some seldom seen items. The unit seems to be post 1914 (I guess they all would be on these), after the configuration changed. To my eye it looks like, 5th company, 34th Infantry Regiment. Clearly not in the typical order but abbreviations certainly changed after the war began.
 
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Nice display and excellent write up of some seldom seen items. The unit seems to be post 1914 (I guess they all would be on these), after the configuration changed. To my eye it looks like, 5th company, 34th Infantry Regiment. Clearly not in the typical order but abbreviations certainly changed after the war began.
Thanks Sam-- I need to go back and look. I feel like I've got a 34th marked Gew. I need to check..can't keep track of them all. Lol.

Good deal Chris! These G98 accessories are seldom encountered. I remember seeing the quadrant on fleabay...
Thanks Mike! Sorry it took so long to post. I feel like it was a month or two ago I told you I was doing it! Lol
 
I recall reading something (many years ago) about the grenade rods being hard on the barrels/crowns and sometimes necessitated them needing counterbored. However, rarely see Gew98's counterbored.....
 
I recall reading something (many years ago) about the grenade rods being hard on the barrels/crowns and sometimes necessitated them needing counterbored. However, rarely see Gew98's counterbored.....
That's my understanding too, though I think it was even worse-- I believe grenade use was a barrel killer in general and was one of the big reason for rebarrels.
 
Great read and absolutely stunning Chris. I believe that's the first time. I've seen the angle of fire device. Like I have told you before. You are rivaling Craig Brown's collection.
 
Great read and absolutely stunning Chris. I believe that's the first time. I've seen the angle of fire device. Like I have told you before. You are rivaling Craig Brown's collection.
Thanks Mike! Not if I'm worthy of the comparison but I appreciate it all the same.
Great write-up Chris! Thank you. I just picked up a m1917 cup at a small local online auction a couple of days ago. Here's some photos.

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Thank you! What a great find-- these are challenging to locate, so congrats! Appreciate you sharing good photos too.
 
Here are a couple of images that I found on the internet
 

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Here's a photo I recently purchased in a small lot. Not the greatest clarity, but definitely an M14 with a limiter cup.
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Well now, looking at that rod sure does explain the counterbore in my 1916 WMO.

Man, I can think of few ways to be rougher on a bore that don't involve a rat tailed file.
 

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