RFSS Contract

[mrfarb]

I wasn't a big fan of that SS marking on the WAF trainer, even less so when he showed a picture of the eagle on the other side.

 

[denny gaither]

"The preponderance (NOT ALL) of the DSM's so marked fall in the 1936 to early 1938 time frame of production date estimates (by serial number and features)".

Jim,
Just an FYI in case you do not have the number listed. I once owned as RFSS marked DSM - Waffenstadt Suhl dated 1934, sn 1796.

 

[Bob in OHIO]

I wasn't a big fan of that SS marking on the WAF trainer, even less so when he showed a picture of the eagle on the other side.

Plus, that Gustloff action in post #16 appears to be sitting in Mauser wood based on the band spring that only Mauser KKWs used...

 

[Bob in OHIO]

Here's my late 29xxx example...

 

[abat343]

Wiehrauch model with RFSS Stamp

Hello all,
This is my first post and would like to thank all those that have posted prior, the information here is a great reference source.

My father and I are trying to determine the legitimacy of this rifle. It was picked up in a pawn shop that came in with a pistol as well. We have learned from looking at another Weihrauch on this forum, that is only about 190 off in serial numbers, seen that they have the exact same markings and proofs, except the rifle we have has the RFSS stamp on the stock. It is also located on the left side and not the right, where most of the stamps seem to be placed. All of the numbers match on the gun, including the stock and hand guard, unfortunately it was duffle cut and the lower part of the stock and front barrel band are missing. When holding it you know that is an original piece, but we are looking to determine if the stamp is original or were they faked? It appears to be an exact duplicate of all of the other RFSS circle stamps that have been shown and we would like to know if it is possible it was just placed on the wrong side. Did the manufactueres place these stamps or were they done when they arrived to the specific units like SS or SA? From the research we have been able to do it shows that Weihrauch placed "6/22 Long Rifle" on their rifles and many others did not, so was the right side placement just another oddity with Weihrauch, if they indeed did the stampings for the units to whom they were shipped?

Two final questions, first how uncommon is the Weihrauch maker for these types of trainers, and second, although we recognize that the missing portion of the stock and the barrel band will affect the value, what is a ballpark value of this rifle.

We welcome any comments or information to help us solve this little mystery and look froward to discovering the legitimacy of the RFSS Stamp. To be honest neither of us had ever seen one of these until last Friday and we have had quite a research adventure over the weekend.
Again thank to anyone that can shed some light on this rifle.
Respectfully,
Tyler Alberts

 

[mauser99]

Hi

welcome ! yes the rifle is 100% correct. Some are marked on either side. I have one marked just like you'res and its a waffenstadt suhl rifle. The duffle cut hurts the rifle some but it can be fixed by someone with wood working experiance. The upper band and pin I have and can sell you if interested. Or if you just want to make some cash on it please let me know. Thanks. I sent you a private message as well..

 

[abat343]

welcome ! yes the rifle is 100% correct. Some are marked on either side. I have one marked just like you'res and its a waffenstadt suhl rifle. The duffle cut hurts the rifle some but it can be fixed by someone with wood working experiance. The upper band and pin I have and can sell you if interested. Or if you just want to make some cash on it please let me know. Thanks. I sent you a private message as well..

Thank you Mauser99,

That is certainly good news. I was still wondering if the rifles were stamped by the maker or the unit, is this maker considered desirable and less common than others?
Look forward to hearing any other responses.
Respectfully,
Tyler Alberts

 

[Bob in OHIO]

Good to see the front end pic here and general lack of modification other than the missing parts. Nice... v. nice...

 

[mauser99]

rf/ss

I dont have an answer why some are on the left and some on the right. But thats how they are. It's usually a maker specific thing. I assume the stamps were applied at the factory. HZW is scarce and they also supplied mounts to the ss for short side rail snipers.

 

[WaPrüf2]

I have Weihrauch DSM 34 RFSS SN 21073 with RFSS stamp on left side; came out of woodwork and is correct.

 

[Timelapse]

These are interesting rifles. I do not know what the common thought is about these, but I saw in a thread on the other forum that these were thought to be used for training of the early SS-VT units like LSAH. The only period documented purpose of these that I have is for training of Allegemeine SS units, to be issued in specific quantities to the smaller forces.

Great forum grest thread.

I have a book "Kriegsausbildung der Hitler-Jugend" from 1943. The chapter on page #45 to #61 reads " Waffenlehre - Das Kleinkalibergewehr (Deutches Sportsmodell)". It contains the user manual and instructions on how to shoot and clean the rifle, illustrated with drawings and photos of Hitler-Jugend personel in a prone and sitting shooting position.

The preponderance (NOT ALL) of the DSM's so marked fall in the 1936 to early 1938 time frame of production date estimates (by serial number and features).

I have a Mauser DSM 34 with the stamp RF/SS in a cirkle on the the stock, just like the photos already shown here. Mine also has a 5 digits (26xxx) serial and I was wondering how I could find out the year of production on this model, anyone?
Also the cleaning rod is missing so if one of you could post a photo of the rod along with the messurement I would be thrilled.

 

[JoeW]

The decision by the SS-Hauptamt to procure and distribute DSM 34s was made in April 1935.

It would be very helpful if you would share the serial number of your RFSS rifle for our data base. Thank you.