Radom twins

Tiger 2 Tank

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Hello,
Here are probably two of the most unique pair of Radom VIS pistols I have ever seen. Both have the same serial number. Built a couple of years apart. One is an earlier high polish 3 lever pistol while the second is a later, rougher finished 2 lever pistol.

How did these come together? Let me see if I can recall correctly how this happened. I was given an extensive, handwritten information papers when I bought these two pistols. Some of the history was word of mouth, but a lot of it was documented by the original owner/finder of these two.

A very serious Radom collector purchased the early three lever pistol on 10-08-1988 at the Houston Gun Show from Simpson’s Ltd. table. The gun was purchased, not from the business but from an individual who happened to be at the table. Now, this was when these pistols were $375 bucks! Two early mags and a brown VIS holster was purchased with it, but I don’t think the mags or holster “originally” was with this pistol. They definitely aren’t now.

Fast forward to 10-06-1990 at the Houston, Texas Astra Hall Gun Show. Another Radom collector met up with the owner of the three lever Radom and told him about a Radom that he had just seen on a table that had his pistol’s same serial number. I guess he had remembered this collector’s serial number or something, not sure. Sure enough, our collector found that table, found the two lever Radom and paid a hefty price of $230 bucks for it. I guess even back then high polish pistols were going for a little more than the later rougher finished ones. This two lever Radom came with an aftermarket magazine, which was replaced with an original one soon after.

These two remained together ever since. Our serious collector friend has since passed away a few years ago. His son began selling off his father’s collection, which consisted of MANY Radom pistols. Another advanced Radom collector bought the pair, who I received them from.

It should be noted that I am not a Radom specialist, or anything like that. I just like them; again, only wanted one for the collection. Now I have three. I bought my first two lever c block Radom a few years ago and began learning about them. These two are all matching. I haven’t disassembled them yet, but the prior owner did so I know they are both matching and all good to go on the insides.

I don’t think another pair exists in a collection like these. I could be wrong, but nobody I have talked to in the Radom circle knows of a pair like this. Of course, there are consecutive numbered pairs here and there.

I guess I should have photographed all three Radom pistols together but I didn’t.

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Very cool! I think there could be theoretically more "same serial" pairs out there, but I am not aware of one. Maybe the serial collecting guy from Poland though knows of more of them.
 
I can’t remember his name, but I believe he has seen these two. If it’s who I think it is, he comes to the Tulsa shows, and these have been there.
 
Hello,
Here are probably two of the most unique pair of Radom VIS pistols I have ever seen. Both have the same serial number. Built a couple of years apart. One is an earlier high polish 3 lever pistol while the second is a later, rougher finished 2 lever pistol.

How did these come together? Let me see if I can recall correctly how this happened. I was given an extensive, handwritten information papers when I bought these two pistols. Some of the history was word of mouth, but a lot of it was documented by the original owner/finder of these two.

A very serious Radom collector purchased the early three lever pistol on 10-08-1988 at the Houston Gun Show from Simpson’s Ltd. table. The gun was purchased, not from the business but from an individual who happened to be at the table. Now, this was when these pistols were $375 bucks! Two early mags and a brown VIS holster was purchased with it, but I don’t think the mags or holster “originally” was with this pistol. They definitely aren’t now.

Fast forward to 10-06-1990 at the Houston, Texas Astra Hall Gun Show. Another Radom collector met up with the owner of the three lever Radom and told him about a Radom that he had just seen on a table that had his pistol’s same serial number. I guess he had remembered this collector’s serial number or something, not sure. Sure enough, our collector found that table, found the two lever Radom and paid a hefty price of $230 bucks for it. I guess even back then high polish pistols were going for a little more than the later rougher finished ones. This two lever Radom came with an aftermarket magazine, which was replaced with an original one soon after.

These two remained together ever since. Our serious collector friend has since passed away a few years ago. His son began selling off his father’s collection, which consisted of MANY Radom pistols. Another advanced Radom collector bought the pair, who I received them from.

It should be noted that I am not a Radom specialist, or anything like that. I just like them; again, only wanted one for the collection. Now I have three. I bought my first two lever c block Radom a few years ago and began learning about them. These two are all matching. I haven’t disassembled them yet, but the prior owner did so I know they are both matching and all good to go on the insides.

I don’t think another pair exists in a collection like these. I could be wrong, but nobody I have talked to in the Radom circle knows of a pair like this. Of course, there are consecutive numbered pairs here and there.

I guess I should have photographed all three Radom pistols together but I didn’t.

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very nice!!!
 
* Mr. Utupski has seen this pair @ Tulsa & at the Show of Shows. He checked his sn list & did not have a pair having the SAME sn's. He did have multiple pairs that were consecutive sn's.
* Poland's Visnewski (Lesnik) has this pair of twin D6667's pictured & recorded in the "Mug book"; but, to date, has never indicated knowing of an additional pair of "Twins". Don't think his pictures could be better than what you have graced us with today.
* Truely a unique pair w/ a historic reuse confirmation on German serialization for wartime Radoms.
* Other pictured sn pairs of "Twins" would be welcomed.
 
When Polish resistance members who worked at Radom factory during German occupation were working on Pistols for Polish underground, they applied identical serials to them that were used on pistols for Germans. Reason for that was to avoid creating a situation that some pistols were missing from German inventory, which would made Germans suspicious that some pistols were stolen. That enabled working on parts in factory without rising suspicions that some parts which are normally numbered were not. After pistols were smuggled out, serials were usually ground off.
At one instance when two Polish resistance members were surrounded and killed, Germans found two Vis pistols on them. One had serial and the other did not. They found out in the lab what the other serial was. After checking inventories, they found out that pistols with such serials were in service in police units and were not missing. That’s how they discovered how Polish resistance production worked and as a result they were able to stop it, arresting and executing many people involved in it.
So on top on the pair shown here, the other possibility for identical serial Vis pistols is finding one made for resistance.
 
Although both pistols appear to have the same serial number at first glance, they were produced in different years. The one shown above belongs to the first alphabet series, manufactured between February and March of 1942. The one below is from the second alphabet series, completed around February 1944. Both look in the great condition—congratulations! I'm amazed that you managed to acquire both together; that's truly unique. Great find!

However, it's worth noting that similar "doublets" can surface from time to time. Given the "two alphabets" with blocks of 10,000 and activities of the Polish Resistance during that era, there is even a possibility of finding triplets or more. Still, having such matching pistols survive in one collection is such a rare thing.
 
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Yep, I’d love to see another set of these. There’s always that possibility another set will show up. I’ve never seen one thus far.

To do another set that doesn’t already exist, a person would need to maintain a list of these pistols. Start cross referencing serial numbers. One day another set may appear.
 
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