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Problems in accuracy of a Mauser

" ... all I would add is find a used replacement 8x57 barrel in good condition and get a competent gunsmith to simply screw the old off and the new on - don't be put off by all the wrong and exaggerated claims you might see on the net about headspacing..."

Not only headspaciing, which is actually pretty important, but what happens if the sights are on the bottom? Replacing a barrel with a take off barrel can be very simple - or very frustrating.

Jim
 
That's a ruined bore in a worn out gun.


That it has ruined bore is without question,but as far as it being a worn out gun we have no evidence of that.

It is a mauser after all,and there is every possibility that a new barrel is all it needs.

Aside from the trigger group and the bolt, the gun is devoid of any other moving parts and mausers are notorious for having a long service life as they are built for such.

It may have a lot of cosmetic imperfections but that means nothing as long as it is in specs.
 
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."Not only headspaciing, which is actually pretty important, but what happens if the sights are on the bottom? Replacing a barrel with a take off barrel can be very simple - or very frustrating.

Jim

I couldnt agree more. Headspacing is important for safety and accuracy...and.... All gunsmiths are not created equal....like Doctors and lawyers,just because they have a shingle hung out in front doesnt necessairly mean they are particuarly good at what they do.

The seemingly simple act of removing a a mauser barrel can be a daunting task itself @ times. I had a byf 43 barrel and receiver sold and had to go to two separate gunsmiths to get them separated..

Those who think you simply put the barrel in the chocks and put on the receiver wrench and screw it off are in for a shock...breaking the seal can be no easy feat @ times. ...I watched both of those smiths pound away on the receiver wrench with a small sledge to get it off.

The first smith said he couldnt break it loose after 5 min of steady pounding and moving his bench across the floor.....After i left and examined the gun I could tell that he actually had moved it about 10 degrees so i went to another smith in the area and he broke the handle on his hammer after 5 or 6 smacks and had to retrieve another to finish the job. Bear in mind that the barrel was a fairly recent install so factor in a barrel that has been in place for 70+ years an you can get an idea of how much more difficult it can be.

Both of these Smiths are very respected , have been in business for decades,and take in work from all over the country based on their reputation, so its not like I walked in the first place I came across. The first smith told me that he has removed barrels off of just about every gun made and nothing is tougher than a mauser.

That was my experiece,other may have had otherwise.

I wouldnt be too quick to make a decision on barrel replacement until you come across a Smith who expresses confidence in his ability to do such a job.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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By the way the Mausers that I was able to find in local gun shops were all mixed numbers, incorrect stocks, incorrect bands, some lacking bayonet studs.....
I have to give a bit more thought to this.

Have you thought about expanding your search from local to regional, or nationwide..?

I am certain there is are many mausers with a very good bores in Portugal..it is just taking the time and effort to find them...and if you should find one I would sell the one you have and recoup some of your cash as opposed to keeping it for parts unless there is some thing you would specifically need to take for the new gun.

Dont get in a hurry on this ....you only want to spend the money once.

It will all come together ,just take your time.
 
you're 100% right about 'breaking' the tension - it would frighten a novice to see it performed on his favorite rifle, but some come easy (FN's usually) and some are nightmare - if its German or czech made headpacing is hardly ever an issue even with a straight barrel swap, and don't forget Ackley (don't think it was Askin) debunked the headspacing myths a long time ago - everyone interested in this topic should read those studies

to the other poster, re-aligning the sights is no major problem unless you have never soldered and lack confidence -'squaring' rear sight to action use a bubble level across action bottom and across the bare rear base (leaf and spring etc removed ) , doing the same to get the front sight a perfect 90% in relation to the rear sight (now fully assembled after base soldered )is a little trickier and (always ensure the 'korn' is centred on f/base before starting) and may require several tries - hint is just apply enought heat to reach the point where you can move the f/s base without all the solder running out and having to restart from new - if the base is a natural tight fit on the barrel its going to be easier

the above method requires dispensing with the screw through front base - no great loss - its key purposes is to speed up alignment/soldering process during manufacture- only a properly equipped gunsmith could re-instal the screw (needs a small hole drilled into barell) in its exact location

how do you check if f/s is square to r/s - its so simple! .......................fix rifle in steady rest and with lowest rear sight elevation setting (and bore aligned) - centred the sights onto a 90% vertical linear object as distant as possible (a side of a building wall will do perfectly) , then raise the rear sight slide incrementally through whole range to max 2000 mtr and at every stage check that the sights continue to be aligned so as to follow the vertical linear object perfectly all the way thru the range - if any 'bias' left or right appears as you proceed thru the range of elevation your sights are not aligned properly - the test will tell you which way to compensate - so you then re-set/re solder the front sight only to get that perfect vertical linear result from 100- 2000

sounds hard to do but its really not

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I couldnt agree more. Headspacing is important for safety and accuracy...and.... All gunsmiths are not created equal....like Doctors and lawyers,just because they have a shingle hung out in front doesnt necessairly mean they are particuarly good at what they do.

The seemingly simple act of removing a a mauser barrel can be a daunting task itself @ times. I had a byf 43 barrel and receiver sold and had to go to two separate gunsmiths to get them separated..

Those who think you simply put the barrel in the chocks and put on the receiver wrench and screw it off are in for a shock...breaking the seal can be no easy feat @ times. ...I watched both of those smiths pound away on the receiver wrench with a small sledge to get it off.

The first smith said he couldnt break it loose after 5 min of steady pounding and moving his bench across the floor.....After i left and examined the gun I could tell that he actually had moved it about 10 degrees so i went to another smith in the area and he broke the handle on his hammer after 5 or 6 smacks and had to retrieve another to finish the job. Bear in mind that the barrel was a fairly recent install so factor in a barrel that has been in place for 70+ years an you can get an idea of how much more difficult it can be.

Both of these Smiths are very respected , have been in business for decades,and take in work from all over the country based on their reputation, so its not like I walked in the first place I came across. The first smith told me that he has removed barrels off of just about every gun made and nothing is tougher than a mauser.

That was my experiece,other may have had otherwise.

I wouldnt be too quick to make a decision on barrel replacement until you come across a Smith who expresses confidence in his ability to do such a job.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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[- if its German or czech made headpacing is hardly ever an issue even with a straight barrel swap, and don't forget Ackley (don't think it was Askin) debunked the headspacing myths a long time ago - everyone interested in this topic should read those studies



I would be very interested in reading that but dont seem to find anything when I google it.

Can you provide a link ,or search term..?
SBC
 
Sure, on a Mauser you can move the sights*, but that is just a bit more complex than the simple "screw out, screw in" work previously described. And of course if the "new" barrel has too much headspace -- oops, I forgot that headspace is a silly myth. Of course, cases that separate and leave the front half in the chamber or even blow out at the base due to lack of support and let high pressure gas loose in the action, are myths also. I am glad to know that, as I used to check headspace when I rebarrelled a rifle; I now know I wasted my time.

*At the factory, Mauser barrels were screwed in and finish chambered, then the sights were installed using the receiver bottom flat as a reference point.

Jim
 
that sentence is comprised of personal observations, information gathered over time from various sources including actual experiences as related to me by persons I have known , plus material obtained from available literature from respected authors- btw it wasn't Ackley but Julian Hatcher - 'Hatchers Notebook' chiefly Ch X p.232 in my copy - don't have web links, hardcopy only - and info from a compendium of other books/ sources

re comments by James K - my statements remain valid - I gave a factual description of how sights could be fitted -aligned 100% correctly - 'at home' - by a reasonably confident handy person - it works - nowhere did I advise against any person getting a headspace check if they felt it necessary

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[- if its German or czech made headpacing is hardly ever an issue even with a straight barrel swap, and don't forget Ackley (don't think it was Askin) debunked the headspacing myths a long time ago - everyone interested in this topic should read those studies



I would be very interested in reading that but dont seem to find anything when I google it.

Can you provide a link ,or search term..?
SBC
 

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