Period Sniper Photo SAUER SSR or SS SSR ??????

[Dave Roberts]

That would explain why the scope is set more forward in the rings as usual on SS scopes - it still sits at the right eye distance since the ocular housing is sitting more rearwards. Yet this doesn't make much sense.

Georg , IMO your explanation is as You yourself point out it makes no sense . I believe this next Picture will shed a bit more light and help prove and reinforce my suspicions and my observations/opinion that the Scope & Mount on First Photo is NOT an SS SSR with Dienstglas that was transferred and that is a SAUER SSR with Ajack 4x90 as I believe it is .

This new photo I am Posting shows another Sauer SSR with Ajack Scope as first photo . Did this Rifle also have an SS SSR Scope and or Scope & Mount transferred also . IMO thats Highly UnLikely and Ridiculous .

Georg made reference to Scope placement in one of his replies if you notice this photo shows same positioning of Scope in Mount .

I just added the complete Sniper Pic forgot earlier , If You look very close under dial You can make out what looks like Serial # and +
Maybe someone can enhance this part of the photo . I posted a photo showing this area of the Scope

 

[Dave Roberts]

I thought it best to give more Proof here is 2 Photos showing 2 Heer Snipers with Sniper Instructors . The photos will speak for themselves . You will see 1 Turret with Zeiss and one Rifle is out of view which You need to look carefully for . The ones You want to pay most attention too are the 3 Sauer SSR`s with 3 Scope Types 1 with Zeiss Zielvier , 1 with Ajack 4X90 with Focal Adjustment and 1 with Ajack 4x90 With Sunshade and No Focal Adjustment . But according to one Collector Sauer only used KAHLES & DKL Scopes . IMHO it impossible to dispute Period Photos .

Also Notice the Placement of Ajack Scope with Focal Adjustment in Mount as Georg pointed out in his earlier post.

 

[mdarnell19]

Thanks Dave! Great pictures!

 

[mrfarb]

Pretty difficult to argue with period photos, this one has a lot of cool stuff going on!


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[mike radford]

Great stuff. Thanks to Dave and all.

 

[Absolut]

Oh, I should had remembered these pics since I had scanned them for you ... well, you now showed them anyway!

Edit: Dave, also remember that SS SSR mount usually the locking lever in the locked position faces about 30-45 degree upwards where as with Sauer SSR the locking lever in the maximum locked position faces nearly fully flat towards the front!

 

[Xavier]

Hello
On these two examples, the locking lever on the sauer ssr mount does not faces flatt towards the front and the other one yes.....
Regards

Edit: Dave, also remember that SS SSR mount usually the locking lever in the locked position faces about 30-45 degree upwards where as with Sauer SSR the locking lever in the maximum locked position faces nearly fully flat towards the front![/QUOTE]

 

[Absolut]

That is why I said usually, and I did say this only to point out this is a hint for a Sauer rifle. Just took out four non-SS SSR mounts for you to illustrate this. Top one is a large Weihrauch HWZ marked mount too, below it is the Ajack on SSR of which Dave recently had posted a pic (a 42.xxx serial btw and 1-8 marked elevation), followed by a Jägerspende Zielvier and a Czech made scope (elevation marked 100-800 if I remember correctly). I think I have four more non-SS SSR mounts which are mainly flat, including my Type III mount of which you had recently posted a pic of, which has the locking lever more or less totally flat in fixed position. While some are, it does not apply to all. But generally the very flat lever is hint for a late and therefore Sauer rifle, and not SS.

 

[Dave Roberts]

IMHO , I do not believe that the position of locking lever has anything in relation to whether a SSR Mount is either SS or Sauer or even the other . IMO the position has everything to do with the placement of the Inner Cut Out on the Lever that is in contact with the Stop Pin in the Mount and not which manufacturer it was supplied too . Look at the Levers not all are Exactly same Style/Size . I have compared many of these SSR Mounts and why one Lever is in one position as apposed to another and thats were I found the differences it was not the Mount . If You swap Levers between the 2 apposing Mounts the Levers still fall into same position when swapped , that why I believe the difference is in the Lever and not the MOUNT .

Here are 2 SS SSR Mounts both of these are in about 9:00Clock in Locked Position .

 

[Dave Roberts]

Brian You are correct in regards to photos . When I started collecting I tried to learn as much as possible , but the biggest hurdle was knowing who was giving correct and factual info as apposed to flawed or not fact based . I decided the best way was to start collecting Period Photos as these gave Me only Fact Based Info and not info that was corrupted by a personal view or opinion . As to opening Your eyes that there is another SSR You now want thats why some refuse to give any info they only want to collect info for their own self interests and refuse to share . So I guess by bringing this info out I screwed myself now , You will be competing against me for a SSR . : Now I Did It , LOL!!!! Best Regards

 

[Dave Roberts]

Not Worried , Just Bust-in You . I know what You want more than SSR anyway .

 

[sauer]

I thought it best to give more Proof here is 2 Photos showing 2 Heer Snipers with Sniper Instructors . The photos will speak for themselves . You will see 1 Turret with Zeiss and one Rifle is out of view which You need to look carefully for . The ones You want to pay most attention too are the 3 Sauer SSR`s with 3 Scope Types 1 with Zeiss Zielvier , 1 with Ajack 4X90 with Focal Adjustment and 1 with Ajack 4x90 With Sunshade and No Focal Adjustment . But according to one Collector Sauer only used KAHLES & DKL Scopes . IMHO it impossible to depute Period Photos .

Also Notice the Placement of Ajack Scope with Focal Adjustment in Mount as Georg pointed out in his earlier post.

Hi
very interesting subject
note: we must not forget that some civilian glasses were converted into a military version

 

[Dave Roberts]

Hi
very interesting subject
note: we must not forget that some civilian glasses were converted into a military version

Without doubt there were Civilian refurbed Scope used on Sauer Rifles I have one such 100% matching Sauer SSR in my photo data base this particular SSR Sauer Rifles sports a Zeiss Zielvier that was at one time a Civilian Scope it also has the recoil bar attached to it. Best Regards.

How is your Mount Numbered and can You show Base Side of Rifle along with which code & year of Rifle ???? .

 

[mdarnell19]

So we know that civilian scopes were purchased from the public (a mandatory buy back) to use on snipers. However, do we have anyway of knowing if a certain scopes was used at the factory? Are there any distinguishing marks to determine it's use on a rifle?

 

[Absolut]

Scopes could break too. In the field you use what is at hand. Attached pictures show what once belonged to a friend of mine.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Scopes could break too. In the field you use what is at hand. Attached pictures show what once belonged to a friend of mine.

Georg
Is this Mount Numbered ?? If not how can you suggest that this set is Period Used Sniper Scope & Mount . IMHO it can not . Second repairs to Sniper Rifles were to be done at Depot .

 

[Absolut]

It has a rifle number on it and he once confirmed this to me. But since it is sold, I'm unable to tell you the exact number. It anyway is an early mount, note the large Weihrauch logo.

 

[starsnbars56]

Sauer SSR

I haven’t been on the forum in quite some time and found this thread on my favorite K98, the JPS. I had a matching Sauer SSR some years ago, purchased at the same time I acquired a Sauer HT. Unfortunately I sold the SSR about 12 years ago, before I joined this forum. I have no pictures of it but I do have my notes on it, which may be of interest....

The Sauer SSR was an early 1942 built rifle, all matching, including the scope mount. Serial # “546 d”. Army “H” marked stock. All parts matching numbered with about 75% finish remaining. Both top and bottom scope mounts were numbered to the rifle. Bottom mount was the early three hole type. Locking lever was angled up a bit when locked, not flat. Scope was marked ‘cad’. Good optics. Rifle seemed to be correct except for one thing, a single Weimar eagle stamped on the bottom scope mount. This one abnormally may call into question whether the rifle was legit or not, but that’s the way it was marked.

Wish I had pics and more info on the rifle. I’ve always enjoyed the forum and look forward to learning more about K98s!

 

[sauer]

ssr sauer

Hi
to complete this post
here is a very interesting picture

 

[sauer]

picture ssr

another picture of sauer ssr