Im able to obtain a bmj scope with turret mounts here in Europe. Could anybody have a look at it please? I know there are fake bmj's around and you guys are experts in this matter.
Thanks so much in advance!
Thanks so much in advance!
Opinions about a BMJ
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Absolut
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Do not have any comparison pieces at hand right now, but it may be wrong. Note screw on top right behind front ring. If my memory serves me right that shouldn‘t be there.
Absolut
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Now that I have a computer screen .. did you notice the elevation markings are only up to 6? With original military bmj+ it should be up to 8. Also, the screw on top in front of elevation (as already mentioned) shouldn't be there with bmj+. And the screw on bottom of the rainshield, also no clue what this one is for. Finally, if looking on the tube, about under the elevation turret one can make out traces of a possibly former scope ring that has been soldered there in place, removed and reblued.
If I was to make a guess, this is one of the dkl+ scopes that got assembled post war from leftover parts, used on a hunting rifle, then restored to military configuration and re-marked with bmj+ and a corresponding serial.
PS: you did notice that the background shows a notebook with chinese/japanese/whatever letters on the keyboard? Since you mention you are in Europe - are you sure the scope is also in Europe? With that notebook I'd doubt that.
If I was to make a guess, this is one of the dkl+ scopes that got assembled post war from leftover parts, used on a hunting rifle, then restored to military configuration and re-marked with bmj+ and a corresponding serial.
PS: you did notice that the background shows a notebook with chinese/japanese/whatever letters on the keyboard? Since you mention you are in Europe - are you sure the scope is also in Europe? With that notebook I'd doubt that.
Absolut
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Thanks, now back home and look at my own scopes I can compare - you are correct that the bmj+ has that screw on top. And actually when comparing it does seem that in the 74xxx serial range they changed from three piece rainshield to two piece rainshield. So that would fit. Still weird on the missing 7 and 8 markings.
What do you think about the markings of what I would vote for former soldered on scope rings? I've highlighted them. Also the 135 acceptance on the rear base, odd, but that may be due to blurry.
What do you think about the markings of what I would vote for former soldered on scope rings? I've highlighted them. Also the 135 acceptance on the rear base, odd, but that may be due to blurry.
I definitely did not like Bases , just did not mention that . I guess I should have .
The 2 punch marks are odd . Need a better photo showing marking from straight on .
The 2 punch marks are odd . Need a better photo showing marking from straight on .
jk111
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Ok, I have pulled out some BMJ scopes. Top to bottom Single Claw, Low turret, high turret and 2 LSR. Looking at each even between the high and low turret scopes the screws are not the same they are roughly 10000 scopes apart. Then the LSR scopes are 10000 higher than the turret scopes. The LSR scopes have weep holes is the sun shades and the turrets do not. One turret has locking screws on the bezels and the other does not.the LSR scopes do not have locking screws. The late style single claw does not have bezel locking screws. The LSR scopes have a screw on either side behind the tower where the single claw and turrets do not. When I get a chance I will pull out my early square top single claw bmj to post pictures of the screws.. needless to say Hendsolt was all over the map with these. Additionally I believe the post war DKL scopes were 1-4 dials and also had a Schnieder scroll on the lower side of the tube.
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Absolut
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The former solder markings are even better visible in the first picture. Also that proud screw head on the three piece rainshield is pretty odd.
I change my mind and vote original bmj+ scope, but taken off some hunting mount, restored (which includes refinish) and re-fitted to turret mounts (which I think most likely are not original).
I change my mind and vote original bmj+ scope, but taken off some hunting mount, restored (which includes refinish) and re-fitted to turret mounts (which I think most likely are not original).
Georg
Some of Your BMJ Scope have a smaller screw that locks/holds the Sunshade in place . IMO the OP scope was likely missing this screw and was replaced by someone . The PW DKL/BMJ Schneider Scopes did have 1-4 range dial and a Sneider logo as you mentioned .
Some of Your BMJ Scope have a smaller screw that locks/holds the Sunshade in place . IMO the OP scope was likely missing this screw and was replaced by someone . The PW DKL/BMJ Schneider Scopes did have 1-4 range dial and a Sneider logo as you mentioned .
Georg
Here are a few more pics of PW DKL Scope showing marking & logo . You mentioned that You thought the OP Scope was originally a DKL that was converted to BMJ . I wanted to point out that DKL Scope have different screw placement that hold inner lens which you can see in photo 1st photo . Are you aware that there is also PW BMJ Scopes , it is possible that what this scope was originally . I am not saying Scope is good or bad there is certainly some issues which you noticed that are questionable , given that fact I would not be wanting it .
Here are a few more pics of PW DKL Scope showing marking & logo . You mentioned that You thought the OP Scope was originally a DKL that was converted to BMJ . I wanted to point out that DKL Scope have different screw placement that hold inner lens which you can see in photo 1st photo . Are you aware that there is also PW BMJ Scopes , it is possible that what this scope was originally . I am not saying Scope is good or bad there is certainly some issues which you noticed that are questionable , given that fact I would not be wanting it .
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Madhatter_86
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Depending on price id absolutely love to own this for a clone build.
Guys,
Thank you so much for your expertise. It’s actually amazing how much knoledge is available here,and even more scary how good some repro scopes/mounts are nowadays. I own a very nice,homebuilt ‘43 JP Sauer LT with Zielvier scope,and I love to shoot it. Probably stick to that one as this was another lesson for me that buying scopes can be very dangerous.
Anyway,thanks again!
Egon
Thank you so much for your expertise. It’s actually amazing how much knoledge is available here,and even more scary how good some repro scopes/mounts are nowadays. I own a very nice,homebuilt ‘43 JP Sauer LT with Zielvier scope,and I love to shoot it. Probably stick to that one as this was another lesson for me that buying scopes can be very dangerous.
Anyway,thanks again!
Egon
Absolut
Senior Member
You are very right. The odd finish and the proud screw heads irritated me, and with no own scopes at hand to compare with and only on my mobile I had the suspection that it may had been a dkl reworked, for knowing the dkl+ has the screws in different locations (even depending if wartime or post war). It is wrong. It clearly is a bmj+, as you said. But do you agree that it formerly has had different mount fitted, as the traces on the tube suggest?
Georg
Please show were exactly you believe the different rings were located , out line with red lines as I am not sure were you are seeing or referring to the location is of old rings .
Please show were exactly you believe the different rings were located , out line with red lines as I am not sure were you are seeing or referring to the location is of old rings .
Hello everyone
I am the owner of this bmj Sniper Scope.
I bought it from a Hungarian or a Croatian? I don't remember well because it's more than 10 years ago and that seller hasn't seen it on eBay anymore.
Anyway he told me that this bmj is 100% original.. Maybe he changed that little screw, so not 100%,, but for the rest I believe it's an original bmj. Then as for the Turret mounts, the seller said that those are also original. But the bases are different patina colors, then the front one is very hard to assemble and disassemble. I think that the rest of the Mounts weren't there.. I don't understand these mounts originals or copies?. Also because he put them at a good gunsmith and they look great.
I'm sending some pictueres,,, maybe you experts can say other things,,.
I am the owner of this bmj Sniper Scope.
I bought it from a Hungarian or a Croatian? I don't remember well because it's more than 10 years ago and that seller hasn't seen it on eBay anymore.
Anyway he told me that this bmj is 100% original.. Maybe he changed that little screw, so not 100%,, but for the rest I believe it's an original bmj. Then as for the Turret mounts, the seller said that those are also original. But the bases are different patina colors, then the front one is very hard to assemble and disassemble. I think that the rest of the Mounts weren't there.. I don't understand these mounts originals or copies?. Also because he put them at a good gunsmith and they look great.
I'm sending some pictueres,,, maybe you experts can say other things,,.
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Absolut
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I highlighted in two pictures the area on the scope tube which has a different surface under the blued finish. But for gods sake, here again:
Maybe you can try to picture this in a different angle since depending on the picturing it may in one picture be better visible, and in another less visible.
I think this scope once had a commercial hunting scope mount soldered to the tube, just similar to this original but commercially re-used bmj+ scope here that recently got auctioned on eGun: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19895698 . Someone then removed these commercial rings (not a big task), then dip-blued the scope, and added the scope rings and the bases.
May I ask where you are actually from, since you mention you bought it from Hungary or Croatia, but the pictures in the starting post show a Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/Japanese (?) keyboard in the background?
Maybe you can try to picture this in a different angle since depending on the picturing it may in one picture be better visible, and in another less visible.
I think this scope once had a commercial hunting scope mount soldered to the tube, just similar to this original but commercially re-used bmj+ scope here that recently got auctioned on eGun: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19895698 . Someone then removed these commercial rings (not a big task), then dip-blued the scope, and added the scope rings and the bases.
May I ask where you are actually from, since you mention you bought it from Hungary or Croatia, but the pictures in the starting post show a Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/Japanese (?) keyboard in the background?
Sono giapponese ma mia moglie è francese (della Corsica).
Ho lavorato molti anni nella Città del Vaticano nella Cappella Sistina per il restauro dell'affresco di Michelangelo, poi ho lavorato per la TV giapponese. Ma io vivo in Italia, a Roma, con mia moglie. Poi mia figlia vive in Svizzera e mio figlio in Austria, a Vienna,,,
poi questa bmj l'ho comprata più di 10 anni fa da eBay.com. Penso che il venditore fosse ungherese. Ma potrebbe essere che fosse croato??
Ho lavorato molti anni nella Città del Vaticano nella Cappella Sistina per il restauro dell'affresco di Michelangelo, poi ho lavorato per la TV giapponese. Ma io vivo in Italia, a Roma, con mia moglie. Poi mia figlia vive in Svizzera e mio figlio in Austria, a Vienna,,,
poi questa bmj l'ho comprata più di 10 anni fa da eBay.com. Penso che il venditore fosse ungherese. Ma potrebbe essere che fosse croato??
Ho lavorato molti anni nella Città del Vaticano nella Cappella Sistina per il restauro dell'affresco di Michelangelo, poi ho lavorato per la TV giapponese. Ma io vivo in Italia, a Roma, con mia moglie. Poi mia figlia vive in Svizzera e mio figlio in Austria, a Vienna,,,
poi questa bmj l'ho comprata più di 10 anni fa da eBay.com. Penso che il venditore fosse ungherese. Ma potrebbe essere che fosse croato??
Sono giapponese ma mia moglie è francese (della Corsica).Ho evidenziato in due immagini l'area sul tubo del cannocchiale che ha una superficie diversa sotto la finitura azzurrata. Ma per l'amor di Dio, ecco di nuovo qui:
Forse puoi provare a immaginarlo da un'angolazione diversa poiché a seconda dell'immagine potrebbe essere meglio visibile in un'immagine e in un'altra meno visibile.
Penso che questo cannocchiale una volta avesse un supporto per cannocchiale da caccia commerciale saldato al tubo, proprio simile a questo cannocchiale bmj + originale ma riutilizzato commercialmente qui che è stato recentemente messo all'asta su eGun: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19895698 . Qualcuno ha poi rimosso questi anelli commerciali (non un grande compito), quindi ha azzurrato il cannocchiale e ha aggiunto gli anelli del cannocchiale e le basi.
Posso chiederti da dove vieni effettivamente, dal momento che dici di averlo comprato dall'Ungheria o dalla Croazia, ma le immagini nel post iniziale mostrano una tastiera cinese/coreana/vietnamita/giapponese (?) sullo sfondo?
Ho lavorato molti anni nella Città del Vaticano nella Cappella Sistina per il restauro dell'affresco di Michelangelo, poi ho lavorato per la TV giapponese. Ma io vivo in Italia, a Roma, con mia moglie. Poi mia figlia vive in Svizzera e mio figlio in Austria, a Vienna,,,
poi questa bmj l'ho comprata più di 10 anni fa da eBay.com. Penso che il venditore fosse ungherese. Ma potrebbe essere che fosse croato??
Ho evidenziato in due immagini l'area sul tubo del cannocchiale che ha una superficie diversa sotto la finitura azzurrata. Ma per l'amor di Dio, ecco di nuovo qui:
Forse puoi provare a immaginarlo da un'angolazione diversa poiché a seconda dell'immagine potrebbe essere meglio visibile in un'immagine e in un'altra meno visibile.
Penso che questo cannocchiale una volta avesse un supporto per cannocchiale da caccia commerciale saldato al tubo, proprio simile a questo cannocchiale bmj + originale ma riutilizzato commercialmente qui che è stato recentemente messo all'asta su eGun: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19895698 . Qualcuno ha poi rimosso questi anelli commerciali (non un grande compito), quindi ha azzurrato il cannocchiale e ha aggiunto gli anelli del cannocchiale e le basi.
Posso chiederti da dove vieni effettivamente, dal momento che dici di averlo comprato dall'Ungheria o dalla Croazia, ma le immagini nel post iniziale mostrano una tastiera cinese/coreana/vietnamita/giapponese (?) sullo sfondo?
