New Pictures! Help Identify Please! Complete Newbie!

[Handymanmac]

I have been offered this K98 for $800 but I have NO knowledge of them at all. I have started to do research and have learned that the markings are Weimar markings, but I've got nothing after that. I am asking for your expertise, so I don't lose this if it's worth purchasing. These are all the pictures I have been sent but hopefully can get more. I was told it is not all matching as the bolts serial number doesn't match and they don't see any proof marks on the stock. Any help you can provide is appreciated so that I may make an informed decision.

 

[Sauer_Kraut]

Pics of the bolt and full stock would be nice. Bore condition?

 

[72usmc]

Stock looks refinished, does the bolt match itself? Look for a X on the receiver. No blue. I wonder if a Romanian/ Albanian/ Balkan K98k Capture due to its condition? However a main attribute is pinged out markings- I see none on the side, any on the top portion of the receiver? see this heading in this write up of mine https://www.treasurebunker.com/foru...fle-overview-commonly-found-on-the-us-market/

Headspace and bore condition? Is it counterbored? That is a pretty good chunk of change for a worn dog? Does the cleaning rod's surface patina match the rifle's metal parts ? Is it a repro rod? The blue on the rods looks new?

 

[Handymanmac]

I'm going to try and see it tomorrow and I'll take better pics.

 

[72usmc]

I would check the bore on that rifle and the feel of the bolt. Is that an RTI Ethopian dog that was cleaned up? Bore should look like photo or better.

 

[Guillaume d'Orange]

I have been offered this K98 for $800 but I have NO knowledge of them at all. I have started to do research and have learned that the markings are Weimar markings, but I've got nothing after that. I am asking for your expertise, so I don't lose this if it's worth purchasing. These are all the pictures I have been sent but hopefully can get more. I was told it is not all matching as the bolts serial number doesn't match and they don't see any proof marks on the stock. Any help you can provide is appreciated so that I may make an informed decision.

Looks like an S/147 1936. More pics and we could tell you more.

 

[Gunnut]

IMO, If the bore is nice, and just a bolt mismatch even with the sanded and refinished stock, I think it would be worth the 800.00. I've seen RC mixmasters go for that anymore, but more pics are needed. Just my two cents.

 

[Handymanmac]

Here are some more pics and info that I was able to get. 1936 S/147 non-matching, refinished stock, import mark under cleaning rod. Seller is negotiable. I appreciate all your advice and feedback.

 

[Handymanmac]

Stock looks refinished, does the bolt match itself? Look for a X on the receiver. No blue. I wonder if a Romanian/ Albanian/ Balkan K98k Capture due to its condition? However a main attribute is pinged out markings- I see none on the side, any on the top portion of the receiver? see this heading in this write up of mine https://www.treasurebunker.com/foru...fle-overview-commonly-found-on-the-us-market/

Headspace and bore condition? Is it counterbored? That is a pretty good chunk of change for a worn dog? Does the cleaning rod's surface patina match the rifle's metal parts ? Is it a repro rod? The blue on the rods looks new?

Thanks for the reply and added info. I've posted more photos for your review. There are no x's or peened markings. Stock has no markings so I assume its been refinished. There is a VT import mark on underside of barrel

 

[Zeppelin5000]

Russian captures are selling for $800, and this isn't one of them. I say go for it, especially if the seller is negotiable.

 

[Guillaume d'Orange]

Here are some more pics and info that I was able to get. 1936 S/147 non-matching, refinished stock, import mark under cleaning rod. Seller is negotiable. I appreciate all your advice and feedback.

Thanks, follower is mismatched, there ´ s a triggerguard screw missing, handguard is mismatched as it is laminate wood.
The stock is walnut and may be original.
The import mark is not legible.
If you’re looking for your first 98k, you want to get familiar with them, something cheap, and have fun with it, why not ? You may try to bargain, though.
If the stock is that of an early Sauer (there shall be an e/214 stamped on the disassembly disk), it may be the most valuable piece.

There ´s no S/147 1936 in the picture reference index, but you may look this one to further check before you buy:

S/147 1936 c block

Havent been active in the forums or bought anything in the last half year (busy summer) but I took a chance on this one lately with bad pictures. I was more than pleased when it arrived. Good price too! Bolt M/M but I don't mind. Bolt is out of a byf 44. Rear sight slide lock bar is mismatched...

www.k98kforum.com

 

[72usmc]

It looks ok depending on the bore for $500. How close does the bore condition look as shown in my photo? No headspace gauge? Do a bullet test does it swallow the bullet? Got a bore light and a muzzle gauge?
VT? Maybe CAI, Century Arms International St. Albans, VT

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[komet45]

It looks ok depending on the bore for $500. How close does the bore condition look as shown in my photo? No headspace gauge? Do a bullet test does it swallow the bullet? Got a bore light and a muzzle gauge?
VT? Maybe CAI, Century Arms International St. Albans, VT

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72usmc: Thank you for sharing this photo and just wanted to ask how bad is the "Bad" round being swallowed at the muzzle? I have a byf 43 that has not been counterbored that does exactly as the "bad" round is shown. I have shot this rifle in the past without issue but it is my "most matching" original rifle and have retired it for reference use only. Headspace is OK, but would you call it "unsafe to shoot" with this issue?

Also thanks for your exhaustive cataloging of "capture" 98ks, I have used that resource many times and it has helped answer many of my questions in the past!

 

[Gunnut]

Nothing unsafe about the worn muzzle, may only affect accuracy, as long as headspace is good.

 

[runner]

The short answer to your question is yes, that rifle is worth $800.
Pre war, markings intact, walnut stock. The follower, floorplate and upper band are matching so their
is a good chance that sanded walnut stock is number matched to the rifle. It would be nice to know if the lower band is matching and as G d’ O mentioned is the takedown disc e/214 marked. Mismatched follower and handguard are not killers in this price range.
Older collectors like myself who already have most of the variations covered would pass due to the heavily sanded stock, but to a new collector on a budget it is fairly priced at $800 and a very good deal if you can negotiate it down.

As Zeppelin said, RCs bring $800 and they are totally mismatched, refinished and sanded and “may” have markings defaced. This rifle is sanded with non matching bolt, follower, and handguard, reproduction rod, otherwise correct, which rifle would you rather have?
If the bolt is matching to itself, depending on maker, that is $200 alone. Complete, functional K98ks for $500 only exist if the seller is not following the current market.

 

[72usmc]

Muzzle wear and crown damage can effect accuracy, but you can shoot away and be safe.

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As for price, region, show type, dealer or family sale, how the seller values a rifle-it may be trash because the seller is into hunting guns or top end goodies. Are there tons of shows in your area or few? A big factor. Are you a member of a range -most members sell or trade to fellow members. Lots of factors will cause price ranges: $500 is a real deal, $800-900 is no deal. $700 is fair if it is a good shooter. Got cash, buy it and enjoy it. Want better, wait and see. Best bet are small bowling alley or gun club shows where a family is dumping the dead guys collection to get rid of those nasty guns. To some $800 is like a $100 bill, others its way beyond their means and seems more like $2000. Value is in the eyes of the buyer and how bad he or she wants a firearm. The seller can ask what ever they want, is he or she selling it, or running a museum at a gun show? If you really like something move on it before it's gone. Maybe you pay too much, but in the long run you did not pay too much, you just bought a wee bit early. Who would have thought $79 Mosins would be at $400 and $200 Rcs at 700-800 in the WI gun show area.

 

[72usmc]

One major point. I always want to view and inspect a rifle in person. Unless it is Todd at Family Firearms or Kroh at Empire Arms (both good as Gold), I never buy by viewing photos only. Never buy from RTI. If you desire a nice K98k at a fair price, you may want to consider getting on the Empire Arms email list.

Here is an Index of old sold firearms from Empire with photo, price, and description:
Please review; https://www.empirearms.com/newstuff.htm

 

[Stan]

It looks ok depending on the bore for $500. How close does the bore condition look as shown in my photo? No headspace gauge? Do a bullet test does it swallow the bullet? Got a bore light and a muzzle gauge?
VT? Maybe CAI, Century Arms International St. Albans, VT

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Does have the look of those CAI imports from Romania/Albania from the 1990's. They didn't all get peened to death, especially the earlier ones without the "dirty birds". If it is one of those, check the bore closely. That was one of the big issues with those imports frequently.

 

[Handymanmac]

Thanks for all the responses. I will check the bore and make an offer on Saturday. I’ll let everyone know how I do. I figure his one is a good way to add One to the collection.