I'm almost positive the stock is serial matching. I'll check the rear band, barrel, follower etc and post some pics.
"Nazi" gew
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I'm almost positive the stock is serial matching. I'll check the rear band, barrel, follower etc and post some pics.
Such markings, "Gefgs" have shown up before, CB speculated it was related to "Gefängnis" or jail / prison, possibly the brig? Possibly the Z represents where (Zeithain?? Zossen??). As far as i know he got nowhere authenticating the meaning (which means an answer probably isn't possible)
Really need better pictures to say whether this is a $1200 rifle, personally I wouldn't pay that for such a rifle, - I got a little faint when Imperial Gewehr98's broke $1000 a decade ago... Larry and some of the other flippers can get $1200 for such rifles, but the average seller probably would lose money at resale. Just be sure you are in it for the long haul. (but you need to do some pictures b4 buying, do not buy this rifle for $1200 w/o getting some basic pictures to evaluate the rifle)
Really need better pictures to say whether this is a $1200 rifle, personally I wouldn't pay that for such a rifle, - I got a little faint when Imperial Gewehr98's broke $1000 a decade ago... Larry and some of the other flippers can get $1200 for such rifles, but the average seller probably would lose money at resale. Just be sure you are in it for the long haul. (but you need to do some pictures b4 buying, do not buy this rifle for $1200 w/o getting some basic pictures to evaluate the rifle)
Bavarian Joe
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I'd recognize that rack anywhere. Say hi to Bobby for me.
I think this is one of the guns mentioned in the other thread.
I think this is one of the guns mentioned in the other thread.
Perhaps Zentralgefängis. I'd kinda expect the abbreviation to include the location though.
I couldn't get the pics because my cell died. The rear site is old style too. I must of been thinking about the g98/40 there when I said the stock is matching because I didn't see any serial on the keel. I didn't take it apart and don't know where else to look for it. Im not buying it I just wasn't sure what the arsenal marking was.
Warrior1354
ax - hole
Are you saying the depot marking was on the G98/40?
i had this rifle in my hands a few times, i think the bands werent matching, and the stock was not numbered externally, but i might be mixing it up with any of the other rifles from this collection. none of them interest me, due to the glaring issues most of them have. unfortunate really but is what it is. I wouldnt buy anything from this group, im not educated enough to pick the good ones, if any from the junk.
i really like this shop however, and the folks who run it. ive gotten some nice buys on obscure pieces from them, and they tend to price stuff fair. lots of odd stuff shows up there.
i really like this shop however, and the folks who run it. ive gotten some nice buys on obscure pieces from them, and they tend to price stuff fair. lots of odd stuff shows up there.
No, the g98 had the keel serial, the gew the depot mark
flynaked
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racerlee
Well-known member
Great spot on the numbers on the wood! Now I can see the 8 in the OP's #2 post in pic 2.
So is it possible this rifle went to the depot at Ingolstadt for work prior to the 98M upgrades, then to the possible prison/jail ownership connection and avoided any further modifications, thus retaining the original rear sight? Would love to see an overall photo of the rifle.
Here are some. Cheers
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Did you get the right side of the receiver? Any others of the stock, specifically the right side where the cypher typically is, or the wrist, - while the take down is inconsistent with this range it is very possible the TD was added late in the war or in the Republican era. It has a walnut stock and apparently no grips, which is right for this range. In all cases, regarding evaluations, acceptance patterns are key to telling a story. They more than anything else provide the "facts" that make up the story.
** the acceptance on the bolt would have been helpful too, this rifle looks to be largely factory, minus the bluing and TD, but the RS is something of outlier, - such rifles survived, period photographs and surviving rifles are well known, but very uncommon (to have a mix like this). Further, a rifle that stayed in German hands, say in a brig or prison, should have been carried on official totals, - property marked - further, something like a prison you would think be equipped with a 98a or if off the books (not considered "German" central government, more a local affair, though typically even rural-city police and forestry-river police types were included in official counts, even in the Rhineland...) a substitute rifle (K88 or G88). Naturally, these latter variations were the first rifles destroyed, they were pretty scarce after 1924, - you see Freikorps and similar organization with them, but by 1924 the Germans had destroyed most of their stores of captured weapons and secondary or obsolete variations, but perhaps if Craig was correct and this is a "jailer rifle" it was issued after 1924-1925 when most of the destruction had taken place (naturally, when you cull a herd, you cull the lesser ones, but I would still think a 98a more suitable for police types)
** the acceptance on the bolt would have been helpful too, this rifle looks to be largely factory, minus the bluing and TD, but the RS is something of outlier, - such rifles survived, period photographs and surviving rifles are well known, but very uncommon (to have a mix like this). Further, a rifle that stayed in German hands, say in a brig or prison, should have been carried on official totals, - property marked - further, something like a prison you would think be equipped with a 98a or if off the books (not considered "German" central government, more a local affair, though typically even rural-city police and forestry-river police types were included in official counts, even in the Rhineland...) a substitute rifle (K88 or G88). Naturally, these latter variations were the first rifles destroyed, they were pretty scarce after 1924, - you see Freikorps and similar organization with them, but by 1924 the Germans had destroyed most of their stores of captured weapons and secondary or obsolete variations, but perhaps if Craig was correct and this is a "jailer rifle" it was issued after 1924-1925 when most of the destruction had taken place (naturally, when you cull a herd, you cull the lesser ones, but I would still think a 98a more suitable for police types)
