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Mike has a Mauser, Mike has questions

Good morning All, I’d appreciate some help as most people who come to these kinds of forums do. I recently acquired a Mauser and would like some help. I’ll try to post as many photos as I can; but there are markings I’m unfamiliar with or markings that I feel I may have a good guess on- but would like another look from experienced folks to correct or validate what I’m looking at. The areas of interest are the markings on the butt plate, the barrel stamp, and specific characters in the photos I post. Additionally, the stock has some work on it and the rear portion of the receiver has 2 drill holes. Any help is greatly appreciated. I believe the barrel was made by Krupp in 1937 and its lot number is 145IMG_5590.jpegIMG_5563.jpegIMG_5561.jpegIMG_5560.jpegIMG_5558.jpegIMG_5550.jpeg
 
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Looks like your Mauser had a peep sight installed.
Interesting, the drill holes are on the right side of the receiver, towards the rear. So a peep sight would’ve fit into the groove and held in place by the two drill holes? The stock has been repaired; but the repair looks age appropriate to the time. The stock matches the receiver serial number. Thanks for the input.
 
Yep, someone turned it into a target rifle. WaA655 would be Oberndorf, so that's my guess but your floor plate is Imperial so who only knows if the trigger there matches the rest of anything.

Are there any other markings on the receiver?
 
Interesting, the drill holes are on the right side of the receiver, towards the rear. So a peep sight would’ve fit into the groove and held in place by the two drill holes? The stock has been repaired; but the repair looks age appropriate to the time. The stock matches the receiver serial number. Thanks for the input.
Yeah, but the groove might have just been for clearance. Depends on the specific type of sight. I feel like I see more Lymans than any other on 50s-60s era sporters, but there were (and still are) a ton of brands.
Here's a hastily googled example of one with a peep installed:

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Yep, someone turned it into a target rifle. WaA655 would be Oberndorf, so that's my guess but your floor plate is Imperial so who only knows if the trigger there matches the rest of anything.

Are there any other markings on IMG_5565.jpegthe physical trigger does not have markings; but the sear does. The stock does have woodwork done to it. Thanks for the help.
 
Are there any markings on the receiver ring? Can you show a picture of the whole action? What about the bolt?

It's someone's parts gun that was turned into a target gun at some point, but seeing those might help us tell you more specifically what you've got.
 
Yep, someone turned it into a target rifle. WaA655 would be Oberndorf, so that's my guess but your floor plate is Imperial so who only knows if the trigger there matches the rest of anything.

Are there any other markings on the receiver?
I do have Waffennampts covering the majority of parts. Most are stand alone or sequential in a horizontal line. The only exception is the bolt handle where I have two stacked. I am curious to know what the X means- I’m assuming it’s an armory rework stamp.IMG_5575.jpegIMG_5574.jpeg
 
Should people who refer to themselves in the 3rd party be allowed around firearms?
I’m not really sure what you are asking? I’m assuming you are asking if people refer to themselves in the third person should be around firearms? For example, “this person would like a firearm.”. That seems clunky to me and I would probably watch their body language in addition to listening to what they say before I make an assessment or determination.
 
He’s just picking on your choice of words. Don’t take offense, it’s kinda the price of admission.
waffenamts, show us all of these. full view of rifle’s right & left sides. From what you’ve shown us so far, it appears to be a rifle put together from parts of others, postwar. (very common) For us to tell you intelligently (hopefully why you’ve come here) what you have, we need to see EVERYTHING.

“Mauser” can have multiple meanings, it can refer to the design or be made at the Mauser main factory in Oberndorf am Neckar, like a “jeep” could have been built by Willys Overland Corp, or by Ford or GM.

now where to begin? multiple waa#s or e/#s indicate inspection & acceptance of a part or process, the 2nd (or 3rd, as on the right side of the receiver above the woodline) indicates acceptance of an assembly.

pic 2 showing the trigger guard, e/655 x 2, e655 was the inspector code after e63 team was sent to the Czech ‘protectorate’ to inspect rifles made at Brno/Brunn 1

pic of barrel code- 37 would be the year, Kp would be a code for the blank maker, 145 the lot number. Krupp made LOTS of war materiel, but I’m not sure they made barrels for model 98 rifles, they made “bigger guns”, submarines, tanks, ships. eagle/4 was the inspector for Berlin Suhler Werke, or BSW. typically there’s another pair of letters after the lot#, for the firm that turned the forged barrel blank into a finished barrel. (gundrilling & rifling being specialty operations)

pic after the barrel code is the rear sight sleeve, typically that lower case ‘l’ means the part was made by subcontractor Astrawerke, the script ‘E’ I’ll leave to others.

pic of top of bolt root: ‘5588’ is the sn of the rifle it came from, ‘x’ is the “block letter”, rifles were made in blocks of 10,000, starting in January of the year made (we want to see the top of the receiver) first block has no letter (no letter block) 2nd block is suffix ‘a’, then ‘b’, this one is ‘x’. If there’s a larger X on the receiver front ring, that indicates capture by russians. the stacked waas on the underside of the root tell us that the bolt body was inspected by e63, the assembly by e655, which makes chronologic sense.

back to the magazine follower: as previously stated, this is an ‘imperial’ part, ie ww1 Gewehr 98 part, reused later, at least once. looks like the last 2 digits were stamped out & restamped w/a new sn, & the corner for ‘hold open’ has been filed down. (in battle, it’s easy to miss that the magazine is empty, too much noise & you’re scared to death. the hold open corner makes it obvious that you need a new 5 round clip of ammo) this is a common mod for hunting rifle use.

broken record player but the more we see the more we can tell you.
 
I do have Waffennampts covering the majority of parts. Most are stand alone or sequential in a horizontal line. The only exception is the bolt handle where I have two stacked. I am curious to know what the X means- I’m assuming it’s an armory rework stamp.

You assume incorrectly. It's the serial number suffix. The guns were numbered in blocks of 10,000 and when they hit 10k they restarted with a suffix. So 9999, 10000, 1a, 2a, 3a . . . 9999a, 10000a, 1b, 2b, etc.
 
Also, again, we can't really tell you much about it at all without pics of the receiver ring. The top of the receiver near where the barrel enters it. The key info for the firearm is going to be there and on the sides of the receiver ring, between the barrel and the sidewall. Looks like the bolt matches the floor plate at least, so that's a good sign, but we're not going to be able to say anything about what you have without the receiver info.

What kind of shape is the rest of the gun in? What is the barrel like? Has it been shortened? Has it been reprofiled?
 
Also, again, we can't really tell you much about it at all without pics of the receiver ring. The top of the receiver near where the barrel enters it. The key info for the firearm is going to be there and on the sides of the receiver ring, between the barrel and the sidewall. Looks like the bolt matches the floor plate at least, so that's a good sign, but we're not going to be able to say anything about what you have without the receiver info.

What kind of shape is the rest of the gun in? What is the barrel like? Has it been shortened? Has it been reprofiled?
I will try and post as many photos as I can, I’ll need to take additional ones and post later; especially of the left side.IMG_5557.jpegIMG_5556.jpegIMG_5555.jpeg
 
Well the receiver is and originally was a Mauser Oberndorf manufactured in 1939. That was the original Mauser factory. What you have is a mixmaster of sorts that’s been drilled for some post war sights like others have mentioned.
 
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