Late war lt .

[Dave Roberts]

Late War Low Turret

This is one very good reason even the most knowledgeable of Collectors should heed the saying Never Say Never . This is the first such LT I am aware of being built on this Year BYF K98 . I will let the Pics speak for themselves . This Particular Rifle was Viewed in Hand by a Number of very seasoned and knowledgable collectors . There is a large Number of Pics .

I have Copies of Paper Work & News Paper Article showing the Soldier who captured these items and another Rifle along with other items and his awards the News Paper Story tells about his exploits and well known Battles he took part in .

Bruce Karem posted the other rifle from this Vet with the mentioned Paper Work .
I will Post a Link to this Thread for those that maybe interested . Best Regards
THREAD LINK http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?12458-Updated-factory-Mauser-commercial-K98

 

[Dave Roberts]

More Pics of LT

 

[Dave Roberts]

More Assorted Pics

 

[Dave Roberts]

Pics of Bolt & Stock and Scope . The Bolt , Rings , Base and Hand Guard are recycled Parts . On the Front Ring it can be seen were original numbered was removed from Lip of Ring and then place on Upper Ring as per Turret builds of that year and maker. Also the Bolt was Period Scrubbed and ReNumbered . The Hand Guard is from another Rifle as the number differs from Rec # . Best Regards .

 

[Dave Roberts]

Stock & Barreled Action

 

[CanadianAR]

Nice Dave! The find of a life time really, and vet estate found as well. Thats just awesome.

 

[Absolut]

Right side of the front scope block has a small hole, like the Argentine ones had .. If that doesn't proof they're recycled/rejected parts! Did you remove the buttplate aswell, whether the checkering left markings in the wood or not?

 

[mike radford]

Of course you know I love that one Dave. It was nice to have it in hand.

I think there is no chance that rifle is fake Voigtlander. It is sweet!!

 

[LTCar2]

Unlike others who seem to discount your paper trail on this rifle, it was quite interesting to read the newspaper article about the vet along with a picture of him holding the rifle. What was the date on that article again? There is no doubt that its original.

 

[Hercules]

Nice

Dave,

I really like that Low Turret and all the great photos. It all looks all original to me. I would consider it a high point in a sniper collection. The hand guard and the receiver both have the number 39 on them. Probably an assembler number. Until now I would have said there were no late war Low Turrets.

Brian

 

[mrfarb]

In going to have to add a surcharge to Dave for using up so
much server space. I saw this in hand, it sure looks real to me.

 

[mrfarb]

Wait. Let me get this straight- you aren't an expert but can determine if these are fakes from photos posted on the internet? Do show your comparison photos, I'd be interested in seeing your analysis in detail.

 

[mrfarb]

All I'm asking is you to illustrate your issues. Nothing more, sorry if you took it wrong.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Unlike others who seem to discount your paper trail on this rifle, it was quite interesting to read the newspaper article about the vet along with a picture of him holding the rifle. What was the date on that article again? There is no doubt that its original.

News Paper Article Jan 13 2007 . Wanted to mention the Rifle Vet is holding is the one Bruce Karem posted . The Turret is actually laying on Table in front of Vet . Here again is Link Rifle Vet is Holding which Bruce bought for those that missed in earlier post . http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?12458-Updated-factory-Mauser-commercial-K98

 

[Dave Roberts]

We are in a forum, we are here to discuss about the pieces we share. If we can't say what we feel, we are just here to suck each others ?
No disrespect but respect other's opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong ( I really want to) maybe not. Now I just want to know about "experts" what can determine a unknow kind of assembly to a real one ?

Sure original pics taken from 40's era can be conclusive. Even the Vet papers are faked (DC SS rifle case)...


With this rifle, only the "4" font and the rough milled LT serial makes me feel weird.

Again, maybe I'm wrong I'am not a super Hero expert like you to give a decisive bad point about this turret.
If tomorrow I come with a S/42 Wehrmacht SSR 100% matching with matching Zielvier scope nobody can proove if its real or not. Depend on few things that make a SSR real (kind of finishing, font, screws, milling methods). There is nothing to compare except generalities and similarities with exceptionnal pieces.
Then, here there is absolutely 100% original look-like pieces. But if tomorrow I want the same, I put low turret bases on a "l" block byf 44. The only thing that connect this rifle, technically, is the "bek" assembly that is not possible to fake so easily.

My 2 cents with unpretentiousness

Michael , I disagree the "4" on the Rings are the same . The way I took the Pic made it appear different , here is straight on pic . Also I added a Pics of a BYF 44 i block HT bek #77141 , My BYF 44 K block HT bek #77178 and BYF 44 L block HT bek #77362 . This is what I would expect to see in regards to the Scope Serial # getting higher .

I will also add when I saw the Original Pics of this Rifle posted at another Forum , I was skeptical at 1st . Thats why I wanted to view the Rifle in hand and see other item and the Article and Award Papers . In my first inspection all doubt was gone of it being Original . The other Rifle I hooked a good friend up to has got in touch with News Paper to get Original Micro Film or CD which the News Paper said they can and will do .Not sure if was obtained yet but I will get a Copy also from friend . Best Regards

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

This whole thread is incredible. Love it!!!! Super nice rifle and vet story. It just does not get better I don't think..........

 

[Dave Roberts]

We are in a forum, we are here to discuss about the pieces we share. If we can't say what we feel, we are just here to suck each others ?
No disrespect but respect other's opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong ( I really want to) maybe not. Now I just want to know about "experts" what can determine a unknow kind of assembly to a real one ?

Sure original pics taken from 40's era can be conclusive. Even the Vet papers are faked (DC SS rifle case)...


With this rifle, only the "4" font and the rough milled LT serial makes me feel weird.

Again, maybe I'm wrong I'am not a super Hero expert like you to give a decisive bad point about this turret.
If tomorrow I come with a S/42 Wehrmacht SSR 100% matching with matching Zielvier scope nobody can proove if its real or not. Depend on few things that make a SSR real (kind of finishing, font, screws, milling methods). There is nothing to compare except generalities and similarities with exceptionnal pieces.
Then, here there is absolutely 100% original look-like pieces. But if tomorrow I want the same, I put low turret bases on a "l" block byf 44. The only thing that connect this rifle, technically, is the "bek" assembly that is not possible to fake so easily.

My 2 cents with unpretentiousness

Michael this is Quote from Your above Post .(Sure original pics taken from 40's era can be conclusive. Even the Vet papers are faked (DC SS rifle case)...) Can You Post link to the Rifle your mentioning . I do not know or remember it off hand or do I misunderstand your meaning this is why I am asking no sarcasm. Just curious to your meaning and what particular rifle you refer too . Best Regards .

 

[Xavier]

bunny proof

Hello,
very nice sniper rifle indeed.
I can not see any bunny proof on the receiver of this late 44 sniper K98 with low turret mounts.
Am I wrong ?
regards

 

[Dave Roberts]

Hello,
very nice sniper rifle indeed.
I can not see any bunny proof on the receiver of this late 44 sniper K98 with low turret mounts.
Am I wrong ?
regards

Xavier Your Correct , No Bunny Proof . Not being arrogant but I have always wondered who started the referring to that stamp as a Bunny Proof ? It is actually an R proof , it does resemble a Play Boy Bunny Symbol , but I don`t believe Playboy Magazine was in existence at this time was it . LOL!!!!!!!

 

[snipershot1944]

The bunny proof was first referred to in issues of the old Karabiner Collector Network in the 1980's. Pre internet, pre PC, pre Backbone.