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Late Production M33 NSKK Dienstdolch Dagger & Scabbard 1941 M7/66 Carl Eickhorn

komet45

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I recently acquired this dagger from a long time friend and partner in a large box of bayonets. He had spotted the dagger and deemed it a "fake" and the shadow that his doubt cast did not compel me to examine it any further.

I was visiting my parents the same day I received the blades and I let them take a look at the lot. Both of my parents were jewelers and have been dealing in antiques since the late 60s. My Father also worked as a welder for over 50 years, and just as much time pursuing 18th & 19th Century blacksmithing as a hobby. Upon examination of the dagger they quickly dismissed my belief it was a "fake" as they noted all the merits of it's fine construction. The deepness and sharpness of the engraved motto, the clear cross-graining of the blade, the fit of the wooden grip and the quality of the enamel SA insignia were all strong points that were hard to argue. The quality of components and craftmanship would seemingly outweigh the profit of passing off a fake...or would it?? I have never owned an M33 Dagger and have no "references" to go by, and neither of my parents have handled a piece like it before that day.

Upon very close inspection all components appear to be made from high quality materials and the fit and finish are very consistent with other Third Reich daggers I do own. The RZM stamp looks like it might be "acid etched" like those found on Luftwaffe gravity knives, and the appearance was comparable with examples I have on hand. I have found several other 1941 Carl Eickhorn examples and they also appear to be very similar to the dagger in question. The detail of the Party Eagle is very fine and the Copper tone appears to be a base layer metal exposed after the original Silver wash wore off from handling. I found an M33 that sold and claimed the Copper Eagle was original (https://www.gettysburgmuseumofhisto...olch-brought-home-by-a-u-s-veteran-certified/) Another 1941 Eickhorn NSKK Dagger is currently listed here (https://grenadiermilitaria.com/product/nskk-dagger-by-carl-eickhorn-solingen/). The pommel nut appears to show no signs of marring and looks as if it might not have been turned after production.

The scabbard is exceptionally clean and of equal quality as the dagger. The black finish is strong and only shows mild traces of age and handling. It does appear to be black paint but I cannot say this for certain. The throat and ferrule are both clean and the hardware is identical to other period examples I can find images of. No markings can be found anywhere on it.

As the SA and NSKK Dagger appear to only be distinguishable by their scabbards, does this pair look to be a genuine pair? Are the black scabbards the same for SS Daggers? Fit, finish, weight and patina all seem to be there but I simply have no experience with these blades. Any and all insights and opinions are welcomed and greatly appreciated.
 

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I am no expert on SA, NSKK, or SS Daggers but it looks like a nice Eickhorn NSKK to me. And, from what I have read and been told, the scabbards were the same for the NSKK and SS Daggers. There are experts in these daggers here. Perhaps one will be able to comment further.
 
To any and all admins - I have mistakenly made this post in the wrong group. Could someone please move this thread to the "WW2 German Militaria?" My apologies for the mistake!

Done! As per your request.

During this period the scabbards are the same for SS or NSKK. Black factory paint, plated fittings. I'm not sure on the "copper eagle" comments. The material used for the eagles changed over time with the last examples being made from cheaper alloy materials. There appears to be some damage or marring to the top of the eagles left wing?
 
I believe that I read some of the eagles were copper with silver finish. I have also seen other examples of SA daggers with the copper eagles. a couple of which had little to none of the silver finish left. I noticed the "damage" to the left wing as well. Do you think it is damage or a flaw? I will try to find pics of other copper eagles to compare to.
 
Done! As per your request.

During this period the scabbards are the same for SS or NSKK. Black factory paint, plated fittings. I'm not sure on the "copper eagle" comments. The material used for the eagles changed over time with the last examples being made from cheaper alloy materials. There appears to be some damage or marring to the top of the eagles left wing?
Slash - Thank you! Really have had a banner (NOT a Mauser) week and was trying to do too much at once too late in the day - always a killer combo for me!

The Copper tone of the Eagle really turned me off, but the detail is very strong and consistent with other daggers I have found good images of. I did some digging and found a few references to Copper, though I am not sure how much weight to place on these finds. Lakesidetrader's website regarding SA Daggers claims that some Eagles appear to be made from Copper as it was yet another wash applied to a cheaper base metal in hopes that the Silver wash would adhere better. The info can be found in greater detail here: (https://www.lakesidetrader.com/Education/Alles-Fur-Deutschland/). I found an example that had sold recently and the listing description claimed that the Copper Eagle was correct for the "maker and model" and was "rare." The listing can be seen here: (https://www.gettysburgmuseumofhisto...olch-brought-home-by-a-u-s-veteran-certified/). I am more inclined to believe the story of washes, as I own several awards and medals that were washed in various tones and all have aged differently with some vanishing all together.

There are a several small areas on the wing that are "rough" and appear to have been recently incurred. There is also a small chip in the wood underneath the adjacent wing. The marring on the upper wing could possibly be from transportation. Before I took this dagger into my custody it had been rolling around in a cardboard box with about a dozen bayonets, it's nothing short of amazing that the scabbard came out as clean as it did. The chip in the wood appears to be old, as the blemish has a patina consistent with suspected age. The blemishes strongly appear to be from handling as they are fine and limited. There are no obvious signs of removal or refitting of the Eagle, but it's not totally out of the question either.

I have always avoided the SA and SS daggers because there are so many good, old copies floating around on the market and these are pieces that command a premium. A fake from the 60s or 70s will have the patina of something "old" as it's now more than 50 years old itself - very hard to believe! In collecting, I have mostly played it safe and pursued things rarely copied. While I have put my hands on a few reproduction 84/98 bayonets, it didn't take much else to quickly determine their validity! Daggers, however, are uncharted territory for me and I hope this one will be a good place to start learning more.
 

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I believe that I read some of the eagles were copper with silver finish. I have also seen other examples of SA daggers with the copper eagles. a couple of which had little to none of the silver finish left. I noticed the "damage" to the left wing as well. Do you think it is damage or a flaw? I will try to find pics of other copper eagles to compare to.
Grimlin - Always wise to consider factory flaws with private purchase pieces, especially during Wartime production. While commercial standards were high, the lack of inspection stamps certainly allowed for greater "wiggle room" in product quality. However, the detail of the Eagle is strong and there is a mild roughness to touch that would lead me to believe something foreign has made contact with it. The roughness could easily be removed by a few passes with a jeweler's file but I have left it exactly as found. The marks do not look like they are a result of "tapping" or "prying" at the Eagle.

Like many other Third Reich items that are faked, often times the Eagles are the dead giveaway as they lack the finer details the original pieces possess. I was really impressed when I looked at this Eagle under magnification and also on my computer screen and the details are extremely close to known good examples. While my naked eye could not pick this up, I was able to spot what appears to be remnants of a Silver tone wash on the lower wing feathers. This area would have had less contact while being handled than higher portions of the Eagle and would seemingly be more protected from wear.

Any photos you could locate of other Copper Eagles would be greatly appreciated, thank you for keeping an eye out!
 
I have been able to find a few SA / NSKK daggers that have sold online with Copper Eagles, please find the links to these examples below:



While this Eagle is not overtly "Copper" in color, it appears to be heavily worn with a "copperish" tone showing through under the Silver wash:


The Lakesidetrader also mentions Copper Eagles on their reference page detailing SS M33 Daggers, noting "RZM daggers had nickel, aluminum, zinc or plated eagles. Sometimes these eagles have oxidized and look to have powder on them. Others appear to be copper colored as the plating has gone completely leaving just the copper flash coat visible. Less care was taken with these later daggers and as a result some may appear to have less than perfectly fit eagles."


As the example I have is dated 1941, and production of these daggers supposedly stopped in 1942, the late hour of production could possibly be a connecting point for the Copper Eagles. This seems to correspond with other similar items like medals, awards and "tinnies" produced later in the War, as the use of cheaper "alloy" metals and colored washes became more prevalent in order to conserve materials needed for the war effort.
 

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