Late K43 matching sniper rig

[Dave Roberts]

Now that is the Type of Condition K43 I want to find for my Collection . But never see them too often I really like these Snipers but So hard to find in this Condition , Really Great K43 Jack . Best Regards

 

[miles136]

Im hoping that all those out there that mistakenly believe they have an unissued walther K43 that has smooth stock, and is all blue or whatever, can view these pics...

THIS is what a nearly unissued late war rifle looks like, this is what late war phosphate and bluing looks like, this is what a real zf4 sun shade and eye piece looks like, this is what a late war walther stock should look like...

a superb example, thanks for posting Jack

I know I will inherit it someday from my "collecting father"

 

[jack944]

Yes my son

If the unemployment continues it will be sooner than later.... I know you are praying I get a job....

Im hoping that all those out there that mistakenly believe they have an unissued walther K43 that has smooth stock, and is all blue or whatever, can view these pics...

THIS is what a nearly unissued late war rifle looks like, this is what late war phosphate and bluing looks like, this is what a real zf4 sun shade and eye piece looks like, this is what a late war walther stock should look like...

a superb example, thanks for posting Jack

I know I will inherit it someday from my "collecting father"

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

Just doing some reviewing of K.43's. Just wanted to say this is one supurb rifle! Wow, can't quit looking at it.

 

[jack944]

Just doing some reviewing of K.43's. Just wanted to say this is one supurb rifle! Wow, can't quit looking at it.

Thanks I just got it out yesterday to stare at it..

 

[mdarnell19]

Yes Jack this is a great rifle. It shows also that the German's continued to number these until the very end. So I doubt that many (if any) G43s made it to the field with unnumbered mounts.

Very cool rifle, true G43 snipers are tough to find. And super cool!

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

Just wanted to add mine that I just got. Very close to yours and you can see a lot of the same stuff going on with the two.

K.43 ac45 #606d:

https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?44228-WTS-Late-War-G43-ac45-d-Block

 

[jack944]

Just wanted to add mine that I just got. Very close to yours and you can see a lot of the same stuff going on with the two.

K.43 ac45 #606d:

https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?44228-WTS-Late-War-G43-ac45-d-Block

Great addition to the database on these late war bolts...

 

[sturmgrenadier]

Nice pickup Kelly, I didn’t know you snagged it.

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

Nice pickup Kelly, I didn’t know you snagged it.

Thanks guys. Yeah, I was wanting a d block for a while now and finally one came available.

 

[HvacGuy91]

Very beautiful gun! My compliments to the owner.

I hope I can find a K43/G43 one day to buy.

 

[JACKDANIELS]

Hello

I just read the subject of 2010 and this confirms that my assembly would be for an ac45, a D block?
The mount is numbered 548 and the scope is ddx 65822, do we know if the order of assignment of the scope respects the numbering?
it seems the full set is original except the sunshade which was added
What do you think?
Thank's

 

[jack944]

Hello

I just read the subject of 2010 and this confirms that my assembly would be for an ac45, a D block?
The mount is numbered 548 and the scope is ddx 65822, do we know if the order of assignment of the scope respects the numbering?
it seems the full set is original except the sunshade which was added
What do you think?
Thank's

I would guess that also...

 

[Brian Kowalski]

I would not be inclined to say that your mount is specifically for a "d' block of ac45, it may very well have been on one. The scope number is towards the end of ddx production.

Many of the truly late vet bring bring back Walther, all matching snipers, that I have seen, have had a "dow" scope on them. I suspect/know over the years many of the ZF4 scopes were swapped out..."359 mounts must have a ddx scope on them etc." How often did this happen? We may never know.

Comments??

One certainly starts seeing phosphated screws and levers etc. on later 359 mounts, one would assume these were later war examples...many of these will have an un-numbered mount.
One would assume they were picked up when the factory was captured and just laying around waiting assembly?

Just my opinion/observations over the years.

 

[mdarnell19]

I agree with Brian. There is no way of knowing what letter block your mount was on. Also, I am a firm believer that not all Walther mounts should have ddx scopes.

I will start another discussion if it does not create too much anger.....

I would not call Jack's rifle 100% match. It is a great rifle (not trying to poo poo it) but I find it hard to believe that the rifle was fully serialized (including mount) and accepted, yet the bolt carrier was not numbered. Perhaps it was still in the factory waiting to be numbered when it was captured but then why does it have an acceptance stamp? Doesn't it seem more probable that the original numbered carrier was messed and replaced post war by a collector? Or mixed up when shipped home?

I am curious to know what others think. I guess I bring it up because some seem to believe that AC45 d block with un numbered carrier is a legit variation. And perhaps they are. But I think they are merely unfinished rifles captured at the factory as opposed a late war numbering simplification. What do others think?

I would certainly value an AC45 with un numbered bolt carrier less then an equal rifle that was matching. That said, Jack's rifle is very desirable and valuable.

 

[Brian Kowalski]

Good discussion, and we may not ever get to know the real answers.

I firmly believe the un-numbered carrier rifles are just rifles assembled using what was available on the floor at the time by workers, soldier etc.. I suspect they also may have had multiple letter blocks (like b, c and d) being assembled at the same time, just a hunch though. In addition, I would imagine they had multiple factory floor "rejects/problem parts" set aside for assembly/repair later, when they had some free time. They just needed to get the widgets out the door ASAP, and no time to sit down and figure out why the assembly does not fit, throw the problem parts in a bin, move along.

A current collector variation probably yes, but definitely not a German late war variation last ditch effort.

I could very well be all wrong too.

 

[sturmgrenadier]

Good discussion, and we may not ever get to know the real answers.

I firmly believe the un-numbered carrier rifles are just rifles assembled using what was available on the floor at the time by workers, soldier etc.. I suspect they also may have had multiple letter blocks (like b, c and d) being assembled at the same time, just a hunch though. In addition, I would imagine they had multiple factory floor "rejects/problem parts" set aside for assembly/repair later, when they had some free time. They just needed to get the widgets out the door ASAP, and no time to sit down and figure out why the assembly does not fit, throw the problem parts in a bin, move along.

A current collector variation probably yes, but definitely not a German late war variation last ditch effort.

I could very well be all wrong too.

As you said Brian, most likely those carriers may have been rejected, or possibly there was a shortage of bolt carriers while the d block was being assembled, we may never know. I agree it’s not a late war variation: my first d block was number 2852 and the carrier was proofed and serialed to the rifle.

 

[mrfarb]

The unnumbered carrier debate again, age old. First, of course they were working on more than just "d" block at the very end, I bet some "c" block guns were on the floor. But, to me, the unnumbered carriers are just from rifles that hadn't received final fitting, or finished guns that had bolt issues. It seems obvious that the bolt numbering was done at the very end of the production process, maybe after fitting the lugs and headspace were worked out - at that point the numbers were stamped (seems so as all of the legit unnumbered ones are really late). I once thought perhaps rifles that were not proof tested hadn't had the bolts numbered, similar to the locking blocks on the P.38's. The thing is, there would be a number of rifles proof tested that may have been in line for numbering, we stopped that factory in mid production. I do agree that the unnumbered bolt guns aren't "matching" and they aren't some late variant, just unfinished. How does a matched "d" block sniper get unnumbered bolt? Who knows, maybe issues with the bolt prior to final acceptance sent it back. There was a lot of repair work done on rifles at the end of production (speaking from the 98k point of view) so I assume the same happened with K43's.

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

How does a matched "d" block sniper get unnumbered bolt? Who knows, maybe issues with the bolt prior to final acceptance sent it back. There was a lot of repair work done on rifles at the end of production (speaking from the 98k point of view) so I assume the same happened with K43's.

Hmmmm, never thought about that one.

 

[mdarnell19]

How does a matched "d" block sniper get unnumbered bolt? Who knows, maybe issues with the bolt prior to final acceptance sent it back. There was a lot of repair work done on rifles at the end of production (speaking from the 98k point of view) so I assume the same happened with K43's.

Yes this is my point. If sniper rifles were selected from regular production rifle with higher accuracy then that means when a rifle was sent to be fitted with a scope the rifle was already complete and fully numbered.