K98 AX 41 question

[Newscotlander]

My friend inherited a K98 AX41 (not for sale). The front barrel band retaining spring is missing. In it's place is a pin. Questions:

1. Is the front barrel band retaining spring serial numbered?

2. How should we proceed to remove the barrel band?

3. Where can one get the barrel band retaining spring?

Thanks

 

[jsz]

The band spring is serialed to your rifle originally, the likelihood of finding the correct serial and maker for your rifle is nil. Best to get a milled band spring, try ebay or here as a WTB.
Can not really tell how the pin is in, trouble seeing detail with your photo, how about a nice clear detailed photo. From there more advice can be submitted for the pin removal.

Need to get some oil on the metal, stay away from abrasives.

Jeff

 

[ChrisG43]

1) I'm not sure on the earlier rifles, but would be a long shot to find a numbered one to the rifle....
2) It looks like it might be kinda held in place with some rust, tap it gently forward with a block of wood being careful not to scratch anything.
3) readily available online, Sarco, Numrich, etc. or ebay....
4) if you are going to clean it I suggest a good oil like clp or ballistol, very light with bronze wool.

 

[Metal]

You will have to pull the pin out, not easy to do but there are ways.
Drill & tap a hole in the pin and pull it out. Or.
Carefully and slowly add metal to the end of the pin with a TIG then grab and pull out.
!!!!!CAREFULLY!!!!!

 

[Sauer_Kraut]

You will have to pull the pin out, not easy to do but there are ways.
Drill & tap a hole in the pin and pull it out. Or.
Carefully and slowly add metal to the end of the pin with a TIG then grab and pull out.
!!!!!CAREFULLY!!!!!

Imma be real, dogshit advice. Almost reads as satire.

 

[Metal]

Imma be real, dogshit advice. Almost reads as satire.

Appalling comment.
Probably should have stipulated that the TIG method of removal must be done by a highly skilled professional who knows not to burn anything.
I could do it in 5 minutes.
Maybe next time I’ll refrain from giving advice I ‘spose.

 

[bonemorrow98]

Appalling comment.
Probably should have stipulated that the TIG method of removal must be done by a highly skilled professional who knows not to burn anything.
I could do it in 5 minutes.
Maybe next time I’ll refrain from giving advice I ‘spose.

So your saying you would start at Tig welder as your first option? Not a brass 2 lb hammer ? Not a punch ? How was the results when you used this method ?

 

[Warrior1354]

I have had good luck removing stuck barrel bands with a brass hammer, brass punch set, and a little bit of ballistol oil. The pin holding it in place would be from the bayonet lug. More then likely it has been pushed too far forward, and it is acting as a stop. Not allowing the ability to remove the front barrel band. Still trying to work on any original matching K98k, not to mentioned a scarce AX coded rifle. One should proceeded with caution and care. It's only original once. As for the missing barrel band spring they can be found. Check eBay are some of the collectors on here that list nice parts for sale every so often.

 

[Metal]

So your saying you would start at Tig welder as your first option? Not a brass 2 lb hammer ? Not a punch ? How was the results when you used this method ?

No. First option would be drill and tap.
Now if the pin is hardened then that is not an option so then on to the tig.
You can’t punch it out because it’s a blind hole.
However it maybe possible to punch it deeper and slide the band off.

 

[racerlee]

I have had good luck removing stuck barrel bands with a brass hammer, brass punch set, and a little bit of ballistol oil. The pin holding it in place would be from the bayonet lug. More then likely it has been pushed too far forward, and it is acting as a stop. Not allowing the ability to remove the front barrel band. Still trying to work on any original matching K98k, not to mentioned a scarce AX coded rifle. One should proceeded with caution and care. It's only original once. As for the missing barrel band spring they can be found. Check eBay are some of the collectors on here that list nice parts for sale every so often.

^^^This ^^^!

Try and look for a armorers band spring marked with eagle over 280(e/280). Armores parts don't have serial numbers. They can be difficult to find.

 

[Warrior1354]

No. First option would be drill and tap.
Now if the pin is hardened then that is not an option so then on to the tig.
You can’t punch it out because it’s a blind hole.
However it maybe possible to punch it deeper and slide the band off.

That would be the last option I would do or any. I had a stuck upper barrel band on a Gew98 caused by the bayonet lug pin, not allowing the band to come off. Couple hits with a brass hammer, and using my punch kit. Problem solved the barrel band came off. And they are removable using a brass punch. I have done it before. In my armorers kit I have many different Gew98, and K98k bayonet lugs with the pins.

 

[Metal]

After some thought I’ve realised the bayonet lug pin just needs to be punched deeper so no need for any other extreme removal techniques.
Originally I thought that as the pin could not be punched through and out the other side, then the only way to remove it was to pull it out.
Removing broken pins, screws and bolts is something I do regularly in my gunmaking and metalsmithing work, but on this occasion I misread the situation.
Apologies.
Sauer Kraut, I fully realise that a newbie coming on here giving advice needs to be scrutinised, but to be told that the advice given in good faith is “dogshit” fucking sucks man.

 

[Turbo Archie]

After some thought I’ve realised the bayonet lug pin just needs to be punched deeper so no need for any other extreme removal techniques.
Originally I thought that as the pin could not be punched through and out the other side, then the only way to remove it was to pull it out.
Removing broken pins, screws and bolts is something I do regularly in my gunmaking and metalsmithing work, but on this occasion I misread the situation.
Apologies.
Sauer Kraut, I fully realise that a newbie coming on here giving advice needs to be scrutinised, but to be told that the advice given in good faith is “dogshit” fucking sucks man.

But you exposed your lack of common knowledge of the K98.
Just sayn...
But that is exactly how you would remove a stuck bolt in a diesel Mack head. Don't forget the candle wax.
I'll also say this, never scrub rust with oil period.

 

[RUSH2022]

My friend inherited a K98 AX41 (not for sale). The front barrel band retaining spring is missing. In it's place is a pin. Questions:

1. Is the front barrel band retaining spring serial numbered?

2. How should we proceed to remove the barrel band?

3. Where can one get the barrel band retaining spring?

Thanks

Newscotlander. You have a very cool rifle! I would like to have that in my collection.

 

[Newscotlander]

"Newscotlander. You have a very cool rifle! I would like to have that in my collection."

Thanks, but not mine. It's a friends. I did a little research for him and found that the Erma K98s are a bit rare. No matter because it's now a family heirloom. I took more photos. The barrel band with sling loop is also on backwards. It appears that there is a piece of wood in the slot, under the band, where the retaining spring goes. The pin is definitely metal. My friend will order a replacement spring before we proceed with trying to remove the pin.


Also was wondering about why the spring is missing. We were wondering if the US soldier disassembled the rifle to put it in his duffel bag. It would have shortened it to 39 inches. The spring could have been lost enroute.


Can someone recommend a book to learn more about the Erma K98?

 

[Newscotlander]

We have a replacement band spring coming. We've tried tapping the pin in carefully and it won't budge. I've never had one of these off so I don't know what it looks like. Can someone post a couple of photos showing the barrel band off and what the bayonet lug underneath looks like? The barrel band and bayonet lug are not aligned and that concerns me. Is there supposed to be just a hole in the bayonet lug or a slot? After looking at the more recent photos I posted is the drill and tap method appear to be our best choice? Thanks for the advice.

Regarding the condition of the metal surface, it came that way and we have applied some light oil to preserve it. And yes, we have not used anything more abrasive than a cotton cloth.