I need help with this Hensoldt 4x

woobycat

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I just purchased this Hensoldt scope in hopes of mounting it on my DOT 44.

I’m new to this, so forgive me for my lack of knowledge.

I’d like to know if this is pre or post WW2.

Confirm it’s a double claw mount.

Can I find period saddle mounts for this? I’ve only found repo full sets of double claw mounts and rings.

Lastly, if I’m trying to staying close to period, should I pursue building a shooter with this scope, or sell and buy another?

Thank you for your help here.

William
 

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Need to see the number of this scope it should be on rear Lens Housing . The Mounting rings are whats known as Objective Mount or SEM mounting system . The rings and scope are NOT for military sniper rifle but a civilian type hunting rifle . I also suspect and will make an educated quess that this Scope is in serial range of Pre War not WW2 range . Please post pic of serial or post a written serial if photo is not doable
 
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Thank you Dave...it looks like 33787 or 35787.
There is some rust there that needs to be addressed.
 
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Can I find period saddle mounts for this?
It appears you did not consider the most important aspect: for a claw mounted scope to be mountable on a K98k rifle the rings on the scope tube need to have a very certain spacing to be sitting on the receiver ring and receiver bridge. Secondly, even if this spacing is of correct distance, still the scope needs to be in a certain position as well for proper eye relief.
While I do not have your scope in hand it appears the spacing between the rings is not correct for a K98k receiver, it looks more your scope originates from a break barrel rifle since they are rather close to each other and mounted to the very front.
Secondly, even if the spacing between the rings is correct AND it would have the correct eye relief for the Mauser 98 action, the largest issue are the bases. They need to be of correct height to allow proper alignment of the scope. The rings on your scope look to be of approx. same height at front and rear. Since the receiver ring at the Mauser is higher than the receiver bridge at the rear and if you do not want to dovetail the receiver ring (since originally they use a saddle) usually the front ring is less high than the rear scope ring. You could "equalize" this by building a high basis at the rear, but this then puts your scope way too high above the bore axis, so you'll end up requiring to use a cheek raiser to be able to shoot it.
Finally, Suhler Claw Mounts were always hand fitted and hand made. It is extremely unlikely that you'll find bases which fit the scope rings on your scope. So in the end you'll need to get those made individually for your scope which means they'll cost you a fortune because if they are made by someone not skilled enough for those, they will not sit tight and you'll be disappointed by a bad mounted scope.

As a conclusion, the Suhler Claw Mount is the worst mount you can use to build a replica. I strongly recommend all to stay away from this mount, unless you have a scope not only with rings but also with (saddle!) bases with the correct height and spacing for a Mauser 98 receiver. And even if you have those, you'll still need someone who is skilled enough to properly solder those to the receiver. For a replica therefore a turret mount or a side mount is ALWAYS the one to choose.
 
Thank you Absolut....You are correct sir. I did not do enough due diligence.
I do like the scope though, and the optics are crystal clear.
Do you think any gunsmith worth his salt could un-solder the mounts from the scope?

What is the chances of finding a set of period or quality HT mounts for the scope once the original mounts are removed?
 
I think your scope tube is of smaller diameter than the ones used in the turret mounts or side rail mounts, hence even if you desolder the rings it will not work with whatever other mount you choose. So even this will be impossible. So it simply is wrong in all possible aspects.

Best would be to desolder the rings and use it in clamped rings on a .22 Wehrsport rifle with 11mm dovetail rail, but even for that you'll need someone remove the soldered rings...
 
So it simply is wrong in all possible aspects.
OUCH...lol
Ill measure the tube when I get home. 26cm is what Im hoping for?
 
Hey Dave

I could pick this up today.
Would this be a better fit for what I’m trying to accomplish?
Its stamped 18148, Carl Zeiss Jena, Zielsechs
 

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Yes, this one can be used in side mount or turret mount. Plus there are no scope rings you need to desolder first, so much easier to use as well.
 
Yes this one is correct and as mentioned can be used with either SSR , TURRET or LSR .
 
I can say from past experience, I would recommend Turret mounts for a zielsechs, they are rock solid when done right. I had one built on a sporter rescue with a zielsechs scope in a high turret mount by one of our members Vaughn about 5 years ago who is expert in this area and its still one of my most accurate and cherished rifles.

I think low turret mount would be technically be more historically accurate with zielsech scopes if I recall correctly, not that it matters if it's going on a DOT code rifle.

Best of luck.
 

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I can say from past experience, I would recommend Turret mounts for a zielsechs, they are rock solid when done right. I had one built on a sporter rescue with a zielsechs scope in a high turret mount by one of our members Vaughn about 5 years ago who is expert in this area and its still one of my most accurate and cherished rifles.

I think low turret mount would be technically be more historically accurate with zielsech scopes if I recall correctly, not that it matters if it's going on a DOT code rifle.

Best of luck.
Thats a beauty Thorne...I fould some milled HT's that should arrive this week. Ive decided on not tapping the dot, and found a tapped BRNO that has its dou 45 and a few eagle stamps. The stock is in excellent shape, but I will need to replace the trigger guard to get rid of that awful one piece. The barrel is like new.

It also does not have the takedown disk, but I have found one to install. Has anyone ever drilled and installed a takedown disk? I am hoping my gunsmith will be able to figure it out.
 
Yes this one is correct and as mentioned can be used with either SSR , TURRET or LSR .
Hey Dave or Absolut
I am trying to find more information about the HT mounts. I purchased a milled copy for my project. Is there a video out there showing a HT being mounted?
I have a gunsmith who will be doing the mount. Im sure he will be soldering as well as the screws, but Id like more information on the process before I hand it over to him...Checks and balances I guess.

Thank you
 
Hey Dave or Absolut
I am trying to find more information about the HT mounts. I purchased a milled copy for my project. Is there a video out there showing a HT being mounted?
I have a gunsmith who will be doing the mount. Im sure he will be soldering as well as the screws, but Id like more information on the process before I hand it over to him...Checks and balances I guess.

Thank you
The best recommendation I could give to You is use a Gunsmith who`s done a number of these installation . I can recommend one such gunsmith , his name is Eric Johnson email Vaughn99@roadrunner.com . In regards to your original question I have never seen nor do I know of such a video , but that does not mean there is not such a video .Hope this helps you .
 
^ This, he's done several builds for me and their work is old school level of beautiful. These are not jobs for any ol' gunsmith. Need someone that can solder the bases in line with the bore, and disasemble the scope and glass then solder them to the rings so they don't ruin the glass and mechanisms.
 
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