GEW98 WW1 Sniper * updated with new optics

[chrisftk]

This is a learning experience. Absolutely fanatical devotion to numbering parts.

I was just looking at your 2 examples, both cc block. Neither one even vaguely resembles the other or the chart. They should never have given the script up, they would not have needed an Enigma machine.

Yeah the letters are confusing enough, never mind the fact that each manufacturer had their own little quirks. Danzig got the right idea at times and went to block letters, but lapsed back to script after a while.

 

[Amberg]

Rifle and bases are very nice!
But the scope ….. Typical junk from Spielauer.
The Model B OIGEE Luxor 3x scope is a very late war scope or more likely a post war assembled scope. The engraving is not period original.
The rings are not correct for an OIGEE scope, but rather for a Gerard B3x or M4x scope. Are there any markings on the rings?

Attached some photos.
#1: OIGEE manual showing the OIGEE Model „A" and „B“ versions. (rings and elevation adjustment are different)
#2 and #3: original OIGEE bases (postwar „ornated“)
#4: some OIGEE scopes with different original rings
#5: period OIGEE postcard, showing the assembling department for binoculars and scopes. Please note the rifle racks with G98s on the wall.
and some shots showing what an original OIGEE engraving should look like.

edit: I'm pretty sure the bases are for a Gerard B3x scope.
You should keep your eyes open for a late war Gerard B3x scope to go with this rifle.

Hope this helps.

 

[biggymu]

Rifle and bases are very nice!
But the scope ….. Typical junk from Spielauer.
The Model B OIGEE Luxor 3x scope is a very late war scope or more likely a post war assembled scope. The engraving is not period original.
The rings are not correct for an OIGEE scope, but rather for a Gerard B3x or M4x scope. Are there any markings on the rings?

Attached some photos.
#1: OIGEE manual showing the OIGEE Model „A" and „B“ versions. (rings and elevation adjustment are different)
#2 and #3: original OIGEE bases (postwar „ornated“)
#4: some OIGEE scopes with different original rings
#5: period OIGEE postcard, showing the assembling department for binoculars and scopes. Please note the rifle racks with G98s on the wall.
and some shots showing what an original OIGEE engraving should look like.

edit: I'm pretty sure the bases are for a Gerard B3x scope.
You should keep your eyes open for a late war Gerard B3x scope to go with this rifle.

Hope this helps.

Amberg , Thank you very much! I had no information to go on and put this together many years ago. I noticed on the other sniper rifle posted today from Canada, the numbered bases and letter/number font. I knew the scope Robert sold me was reblued but did not know renumbered. I will check the rings for numbers tomorrow
I will l search for a worthy scope and mounts! It helps very much! Again much thanks

 

[chrisftk]

Rifle and bases are very nice!
But the scope ….. Typical junk from Spielauer.
The Model B OIGEE Luxor 3x scope is a very late war scope or more likely a post war assembled scope. The engraving is not period original.
The rings are not correct for an OIGEE scope, but rather for a Gerard B3x or M4x scope. Are there any markings on the rings?

Attached some photos.
#1: OIGEE manual showing the OIGEE Model „A" and „B“ versions. (rings and elevation adjustment are different)
#2 and #3: original OIGEE bases (postwar „ornated“)
#4: some OIGEE scopes with different original rings
#5: period OIGEE postcard, showing the assembling department for binoculars and scopes. Please note the rifle racks with G98s on the wall.
and some shots showing what an original OIGEE engraving should look like.

edit: I'm pretty sure the bases are for a Gerard B3x scope.
You should keep your eyes open for a late war Gerard B3x scope to go with this rifle.

Hope this helps.

I thought the engraving font looked a little off. The block letters were odd.

 

[biggymu]

Rifle and bases are very nice!
But the scope ….. Typical junk from Spielauer.
The Model B OIGEE Luxor 3x scope is a very late war scope or more likely a post war assembled scope. The engraving is not period original.
The rings are not correct for an OIGEE scope, but rather for a Gerard B3x or M4x scope. Are there any markings on the rings?

Attached some photos.
#1: OIGEE manual showing the OIGEE Model „A" and „B“ versions. (rings and elevation adjustment are different)
#2 and #3: original OIGEE bases (postwar „ornated“)
#4: some OIGEE scopes with different original rings
#5: period OIGEE postcard, showing the assembling department for binoculars and scopes. Please note the rifle racks with G98s on the wall.
and some shots showing what an original OIGEE engraving should look like.

edit: I'm pretty sure the bases are for a Gerard B3x scope.
You should keep your eyes open for a late war Gerard B3x scope to go with this rifle.

Hope this helps.

No Amberg, my bases are also not numbered. The whole set up must be post war. So the correct scope and rings for these bases is still Gerard or will Oiegee also fit the bases?

 

[Amberg]

So the correct scope and rings for these bases is still Gerard or will Oiegee also fit the bases?

From my very limited observations on matching rigs I tend to say: Gerard B3x
But this is nothing more than an educated guess. A guess.
For German WWI sniper scopes, there are about 70 scope/ring variations known. And you'll never know what shows up tomorrow.

 

[biggymu]

From my very limited observations on matching rigs I tend to say: Gerard B3x
But this is nothing more than an educated guess. A guess.
For German WWI sniper scopes, there are about 70 scope/ring variations known. And you'll never know what shows up tomorrow.

Your guess is respected. Well, the fun is in the hunt no? Now that I’m retired it will help keep me busy. At least I have something that fits and I can obtain dimensions from sellers. I am happy the base rifle is good also. Thank you for taking the time!

 

[Absolut]

Kind of revealing to read this thread from the beginning to the end and having mixed feelings on the scope rings to then see @Amberg pointing out they are not correct.

Don't get me wrong though, you have a marvellous rifle most will not even get close upon, despite maybe having a mismatching part on it. Due to the large amount of different scopes and mounts it is very tough to find a fitting scope, so Robert without having the rifle in hands did an excellent job to get them fitting to the bases (yeah, he maybe got the scope wrong and the rings look a bit off, but once again: find correct ones or make ones that fit bases of a rifle you don't have at hand).

Be proud of what you have and thank you for sharing it!

 

[biggymu]

Kind of revealing to read this thread from the beginning to the end and having mixed feelings on the scope rings to then see @Amberg pointing out they are not correct.

Don't get me wrong though, you have a marvellous rifle most will not even get close upon, despite maybe having a mismatching part on it. Due to the large amount of different scopes and mounts it is very tough to find a fitting scope, so Robert without having the rifle in hands did an excellent job to get them fitting to the bases (yeah, he maybe got the scope wrong and the rings look a bit off, but once again: find correct ones or make ones that fit bases of a rifle you don't have at hand).

Be proud of what you have and thank you for sharing it!

Thank you for your respected opinion as well.
I was very impressed, that with only pictures, Robert sent the scope and it fit and locks down tight. It also wasn’t very expensive so I don’t want to throw stones. Now that I have much more time and a bit more knowledge, I will persue a correct example. If you come across anything in your vast travels that you think would work please keep me in mind.

 

[biggymu]

Update: I am melding 2 different threads to make one complete sniper rifle. Another forum member obtained a wonderful scope set and posted it on the following thread:

Walter Gerard B3x scope set for review

Hello all, This is a piece which falls outside my main area of collecting/study, so would appreciate any thoughts on the rig. I get a good feeling about it, but do notice some variations in how the Gew. serial numbers are applied to the scope/case when compared to others. Even if there doesn't...

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After exchanging careful measurements, we felt there was a possibility of it being made to work on my rifle. Patrick decided to part with it and once in hand, I went to work straight away.
The front feet fit after some careful hand filing and stoning. The rear mount was a different story.
The two rear feet needed to have almost 1mm each milled off side to side and were also too thick front to back. Removing the rear foot from the dovetail was a chore as it hadn’t budged in 100+ years. I used a small tap holder to exert maximum torque on the rear windage screw as not to strip the scarce factory supplied T handle wrench.
Following a trip to the machine shop, the semicircular grooves for the lock had to be re-filed by hand. Now when the scope is inserted, it locks down smoothly by hand. It is quite remarkable and I didn’t have to loosen or move either band. My sincere thanks to Patrick.
I feel it is a handsome and welcome addition to the rifle and is at least a correct wartime scope. It was a challenging and fun project.

 

[chrisftk]

Update: I am melding 2 different threads to make one complete sniper rifle. Another forum member obtained a wonderful scope set and posted it on the following thread: https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/walter-gerard-b3x-scope-set-for-review.50617/
After exchanging careful measurements, we felt there was a possibility of it being made to work on my rifle. Patrick decided to part with it and once in hand, I went to work straight away.
The front feet fit after just some careful hand fitting. The rear mount was a different story.
The two rear feet needed to have almost 1mm each milled off them side to side and were also too thick front to back. Removing the rear foot from the dovetail was a chore as it hadn’t budged in 100+ years. I used a small tap holder to exert maximum torque on the rear windage screw as not to spoil the factory supplied wrench.
Following a trip to the machine shop, the semicircular groves for the lock had to be refiled by hand. Now when the scope is inserted it locks down smoothly by hand. It is quite remarkable and I didn’t have to loosen or move either band. My sincere thanks to Patrick.
I feel it is a handsome and welcome addition to the rifle and is at least a correct wartime scope. It was a challenging and fun project.

Great resto Rick! It really does look complete now. While it's not easy to find replacement scopes given the WIDE variability in these, you did a nice job.

 

[biggymu]

Great resto Rick! It really does look complete now. While it's not easy to find replacement scopes given the WIDE variability in these, you did a nice job.

Thanks Chris! I was very fortunate all along the way with this. Amberg got me dialed in to the probable type. Patrick indulged my need for many measurements. To find a scope that would fit, let alone one complete with container, tools and instructions was more than I could have hoped for. Thanks to all forum members involved. I must put a better sling on it now.

 

[chrisftk]

Thanks Chris! I was very fortunate all along the way with this. Amberg got me dialed in to the probable type. Patrick indulged my need for many measurements. To find a scope that would fit, let alone one complete with container, tools and instructions was more than I could have hoped for. Thanks to all forum members involved. I must put a better sling on it now.

Glad to see it man--- One of these days, I will find the Voigtländer 3x I need. No hurry, I know it'll come!

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[Amberg]

Some time ago, the younger brother of your rifle showed up. Danzig 1917, #6704ii with exactly the same bases, but again no scope.