GEW 91 info

[chrisftk]

Why is he still posting after his remarks yesterday ? I thought there were rules about that kind of language ?

Ernie,

Frankly, because he is a major contributor to this forum, consistently helps other members and has provided significant research, photographic documentation of many rifles and knowledge. More importantly, you were being a bit of a jerk.. like I said yesterday several of us appreciate your contributions, but we can do without some of the brusque comments and braggadocio. Reporting him to the moderator team in light of some of your behavior is sort of like running up and punching someone, then crying when they punch you back. It's also why no action was taken by any of us, other than redacting the comments.

If his comment so deeply wounded you, please feel free to leave. Would be sorry to see you go, but if that's how you want to handle-- it's fine, we'll manage.

 

[ernie8]

I did not call anyone names . I did not tell anyone to leave . In the original post I did say it was great he was out shooting . I just ASKED why he would post making noise with a rifle on you tube , I did not say he could not just make noise . I did not break any of the rules , and I did not know the rules only applied to some . Considering the source , I really do not care .

 

[Gew 98]

Thanks ! Right then I'll check to see if its still available one sec. I may well be the minority here, but they do look ugly ?

They are ugly?? I can't believe I'm hearing this right now on the forum lol. Just kidding, but honestly i like the look they have has a "sleek" looking element to them. Just my opinion though.

 

[7up]

They are ugly?? I can't believe I'm hearing this right now on the forum lol. Just kidding, but honestly i like the look they have has a "sleek" looking element to them. Just my opinion though.

I'm sure they will grow on me.

What about firing these and stocks cracking etc. This gun has wood loss behind the tang. Appreciate like all guns its personal condition , bedding etc plays a part, but i shoot my guns and of course if these are prone to cracking then that will impact my decision. I already own a werder converted rifle that i significantly download because of this reason

Also to put into context of price. A Kar88 Haenel just went for £350 Inc fees at auction. Are G91s £1000 better?

 

[biggymu]

Rarity is what makes one firearm more valuable than another. The reasons have already been explained.
I haven’t seen evidence anywhere of these 91’s having stocks that are prone to cracking. Where did you get that information? On the contrary, many stocks being sanded to where the recoil lug is flush or proud don’t exhibit any cracks
If you don’t want it don’t buy it.

 

[7up]

Thanks for the response.
I'm sorry, I didn't get that information anywhere, I used common sense of wood missing, light gun, small stock, and a big round. Hence asked the question.

I am actually still considering this

 

[Gew 98]

I'm sure they will grow on me.

What about firing these and stocks cracking etc. This gun has wood loss behind the tang. Appreciate like all guns its personal condition , bedding etc plays a part, but i shoot my guns and of course if these are prone to cracking then that will impact my decision. I already own a werder converted rifle that i significantly download because of this reason

Also to put into context of price. A Kar88 Haenel just went for £350 Inc fees at auction. Are G91s £1000 better?

Out of all the commission 88 rifles I've owned none of them have had any cracks. I would say the front of the stock could be a area of concern since they are thin, but as long as you arent mistreating it itll be ok. I do shoot my Gew 91 once in a blue moon and I've never had cracks start or any of that sort of thing. So I totally understand where you are coming from on the shooting aspect, although I will add it took me a while to find a good enbloc that would run through it correctly. For some reason I would have one too large and wouldn't feed or another that would jam lol. Technically there isn't a difference really between the Kar 88 and Gew 91 just what was stated before of being a artillery issued version and rare in the condition this one is in. I would say it really depends on your choice, it sounds like you are on the fence regarding these so I would go with the Kar 88 in your instance. just due to the fact they are usually cheaper and more plentiful. Plus it gives you more time to be famaliar with the rifle before you get a more expensive version of it.

 

[Fal Grunt]

Out of all the commission 88 rifles I've owned none of them have had any cracks. I would say the front of the stock could be a area of concern since they are thin, but as long as you arent mistreating it itll be ok. I do shoot my Gew 91 once in a blue moon and I've never had cracks start or any of that sort of thing. So I totally understand where you are coming from on the shooting aspect, although I will add it took me a while to find a good enbloc that would run through it correctly. For some reason I would have one too large and wouldn't feed or another that would jam lol. Technically there isn't a difference really between the Kar 88 and Gew 91 just what was stated before of being a artillery issued version and rare in the condition this one is in. I would say it really depends on your choice, it sounds like you are on the fence regarding these so I would go with the Kar 88 in your instance. just due to the fact they are usually cheaper and more plentiful. Plus it gives you more time to be famaliar with the rifle before you get a more expensive version of it.

You likely own some might fine Gewehr 88's! Every single one I have owned is cracked, usually in more than one place.

 

[Gew 98]

Lol I guess I got lucky then! I'll have to post my Danzig Gew 88, that one is a warbond rifle. Has a clipped firing pin and a replacement bolt head on it. I've been meaning to take pics but haven't got around to it yet, maybe this weekend I will.

 

[7up]

Thanks all, really useful information. Its not over yet!
Just weighing up options, those of you that may be watching another thread, I have been looking at WW2 Mausers too.
Have 1895 Mannlicher long, and Vetterli M1870/87 on route, so sadly have not got money for all !

 

[7up]

You likely own some might fine Gewehr 88's! Every single one I have owned is cracked, usually in more than one place.

Arrgh ouch, sorry to read . Is it possible to share where abouts. Guessing cross / recoil bolt, maybe tang area ?

 

[ernie8]

Cracked stocks ? Between two friends and myself there are over 150 Gew-88's , 91's and K-88's and not a cracked stock in the bunch .

 

[Wehrmann]

eGun

www.egun.de

 

[7up]

Thanks all, so what about shooting these. In my SA Gew 88 I used a cast NOE mould based on original M88 bullet (wish I kept it now...).

 

[ernie8]

eGun

www.egun.de

The add is interesting as it lists the wrong " caliber " for the gun . For some reason the Modern Germans do not seem to understand Gew-88 type firearms . Maybe because there were almost no Gew-88's left in Germany after WWII and they used Bad info from the US ??? Since " JS " ammo can mean .323 sS type ammo , The S on that gun does not mean sS . The Gew-88 was never meant to fire sS ammo and was out of service before that ammo became standard . Modern Germany broke a lot of the imported 88's by reproofing them with sS proof shots . S&B .323 198 hunting ammo is to big a bullet with the wrong bearing surface loaded with too much pressure in a tight .3108 - . 3208 barreled 88. Yet the box says JS . That ammo can hurt those guns . That is why using non military letters for ammo type in military guns can be bad .

 

[7up]

Thanks Ernie , and what adds to the issue is the modern ammo will most like chamber in it ? . Sends a shudder down my spine !

 

[ernie8]

Loading for the majority of Gew-88 rifles is easy . 88/05 for sure but watch out for Plain 88's with the out of military spec barrels , not found on 88/05's . As most German barrels are the .3208 [ .321 for short ] , the Hornady [ or others ] .321 Win special bullet works great . It will also not get you in trouble if shot out of a German .323 Z or Turk CZ .323 barrel . Funny story on that Hornady bullet . About 25 years ago I started telling people on the net about it and to load with it . Friends and I bought a bunch . Sales sky rocketed . After a while Hornady came out with a new .321 bullet with the plastic tip [ for lever guns ] saying it was amazing how many people were now loading for and shooting their old 32 Winchester lever guns !!

 

[biggymu]

Ernie, using the .321 Winchester special bullet, do you have a recommendation for a starting charge weight and (readily available) powder type? I am setting up all my reloading equipment for various rounds and would like to make some to shoot my 91 at long last. Any recommendations are appreciated. What is the preference for bullet weight? Something like this?

Hornady Interlock Bullets .32 Cal .321" 170 Gr FP 100/ct

Backed by a solid guarantee and proven for high performance Hornady InterLock Bullets are ideal for big game hunting. Some of the features appreciated most by seasoned hunters is the polymer tip that produces a flat and exceptionally fast bullet one-piece core and jacket design outstanding...

www.lg-outdoors.com

 

[ernie8]

I-4064 is a common powder that works well , as will anything close to the burning rate [ like Varget ] . You want to keep the velocity around 2400 fps +/- . A good start load with I-4064 with the H-170 fp is 44.0 grain with room to go more if needed . The good thing to come out of Hornady not knowing the market is the 32 Win H-165 tipped bullet [ ftx ] . It shoots really well in 88's . Since the rifles will have long leade , seat the bullet with the whole crimp groove showing .

 

[biggymu]

Thank you. I will start hunting down the components.