G43 made by bcd

[Scharf]

Hi guys,

I know very little about G43 rifles but a friend of mine is interested in this one, I have no other pictures but if you guys would be inclined to help me out I'd be grateful.
I want to make sure the stock is not sanded, and possibly know what seems ok or wrong, I know, the pics are limited in numbers and am sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks all!

It is advertized at 4275 euros.

 

[Scharf]

Bore pic

 

[Roger S]

The numbered parts would be the bolt carrier bolt firing pin housing and lugs as well as the stock. Also gas cylinder on these.

BCD has the smallest production number, the factory was bombed flat. It is a scarce rifle.

 

[mdarnell19]

Stock is definitely screwed with. So hard pass

 

[Scharf]

Stock is definitely screwed with. So hard pass

Could you show where you see it has been messed with? Thanks

 

[Brian Kowalski]

Looking at the stock proof pic, while not the best pic, one sees that the stock has possibly been sanded and some type of finish applied to it....that is a deal killer for many. It is not terrible..but...Just my opinion.

 

[Sneetch]

It seems that whenever a picture of any G43 is posted, there is a mad scramble to be first out of the gate to condemn the condition of the stock. The standard that all pieces must measure up against is, of course, the proverbial ac45, rail-car captured, d-block, with chatter marks like the cutting bit had loosened up in its fixture.
Personally, I think this is a pretty good looking BCD. Need to check all the numbers... $4700 dollars a bit high, but BCD's are few and far between. The stock MIGHT appear a little slab-sided on the r/h side like some blemish was sanded out, but this could be just camera angle or lighting. If I was in the market for a BCD, I would regret passing this one up without a closer look.

 

[mdarnell19]

It seems that whenever a picture of any G43 is posted, there is a mad scramble to be first out of the gate to condemn the condition of the stock. The standard that all pieces must measure up against is, of course, the proverbial ac45, rail-car captured, d-block, with chatter marks like the cutting bit had loosened up in its fixture.
Personally, I think this is a pretty good looking BCD. Need to check all the numbers... $4700 dollars a bit high, but BCD's are few and far between. The stock MIGHT appear a little slab-sided on the r/h side like some blemish was sanded out, but this could be just camera angle or lighting. If I was in the market for a BCD, I would regret passing this one up without a closer look.

Yes most serious collectors don’t like stocks that have been dicked with. This stock is clear messed up and if you can’t determine that by these pictures then I highly recommend you do a lot more studying before your next purchase.

 

[mrfarb]

His specific question was about stock condition - anyone with a few years experience can see the signs this stock is refinished. So I’d say that’s the answer to his main question.

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

Scharf, The real question is have you held it in your hands to examine it?
Pics can be deceiving, but I’m looking at them on my iPhone so pics are small.
If the rifle has not been held in your hands will the seller allow a 3 day inspection with return option if it turns out not to your liking if your friend buys the rifle?
Is seller negotiable on the price if it has issues?
It is a bcd. How often do you run across one of those where you live?
It looks nice. Don’t give up on it yet.
Good luck!

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

As a final footnote, back in the day, there was absolutely zero shame in buying a G/K43 with a sanded stock in the $200 to $600 range!

The Internets ruined everything. Lol

 

[Scharf]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all of your comments, to answer candidly, I have not had that rifle in hands and am personally not interested in purchasing it. I posted the pictures for a friend of mine who is a licensed shooter. I advised him to inspect it live and make up his mind carefully in no haste.

I wanted to provide some more infos to him as I know there are some very knowledgeable collectors and shooters on here.

The problem I have is, he is not experienced with G43s and 4275 euros is alot of greens to lay on the table, but I'm not the one pulling the trigger so, he's a big boy, he'll decide.

 

[Sneetch]

Maybe it's because I have only been viewing with my phone thus far....but it doesn't appear that any sort of finish has been applied.

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

Now one more aspect we have to look at.

Lets call it doing the unthinkable.

Now if the stock turns out to be “Unholier than the Holiest” of all stocks, or turns a Purist and Elitists nose straight up in the air,
…here it is…part out the stock and buttplate on ePay and put on a Fox Repro stock and repro buttplate.

What would that bring $$$$? Probably half the price of the rifle or more. You could ask what you want for it because there are next to none for sale any more.

Then you have a good shooter with a bulging wallet full of Euros or Dollars!
Now you could sell that shooter and with the fat wallet money you could go buy a “Holier than Holy” bcd!

Desperate Measures when it’s a hard pass.
No pun intended!

 

[Sneetch]

Winchester...respectfully, that's just s HORRIBLE idea. IMHO the rifle in question is worth $3500. Putting it in a repro stock would decrease the value to $2200 at best...and that's after spending several hundred dollars for a repro stock. If the original stock is as bad as people say (which it isn't)...it's now a mis-match for whatever it gets installed on...so you won't get a whole lot for it anyway.

 

[mdarnell19]

I guess what you don’t realize about us “purists” and “elitists” (I must being talking to a CNN host) is that we collect these rifles for their history. We want them for their WWII history. Not what some bubba did in his garage because he wanted to pretty up the stock. Once you’ve owned original and untouched WWII rifles you understand.

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

Winchester...respectfully, that's just s HORRIBLE idea. IMHO the rifle in question is worth $3500. Putting it in a repro stock would decrease the value to $2200 at best...and that's after spending several hundred dollars for a repro stock. If the original stock is as bad as people say (which it isn't)...it's now a mis-match for whatever it gets installed on...so you won't get a whole lot for it anyway.

I totally agree, that’s why I call it doing the unthinkable! I wouldn’t do it either but we’ve seen people many times over the years part out matching Lugers and other Rifles for the almighty buck. Sometimes sum of the parts is worth more than the whole.

Now you’re really low on your math regarding what an original stock sells for when someone really wants one.

 

[Winchester Cowboy]

Didn’t mean to offend anybody or ruffle anyones feathers as it’s all satire anyway.

It’s sometimes good to stir the pot once in a while when a rifle receives a
“dishonourable discharge” and has no where to go in anyone’s collection.

But I’m sure someone will be very happy with that bcd.

 

[mdarnell19]

Didn’t mean to offend anybody or ruffle anyones feathers as it’s all satire anyway.

It’s sometimes good to stir the pot once in a while when a rifle receives a
“dishonourable discharge” and has no where to go in anyone’s collection.

But I’m sure someone will be very happy with that bcd.

Personally I still view the rifle as collectible. It's just a huge difference between it and a rifle that is untouched. That's just the nature of become a more advanced collector. But nothing wrong with collecting such rifles in my eyes.

 

[Sneetch]

BCD's are not only the scarcest version of these weapons...They are unique in that they incorporate all the earliest features...The threaded muzzle, the un-notched scope rail, the earliest gas cylinder and rods, the bolt carrier without the reinforcing web etc... I consider them more significant as collectibles than the far more common AC's and DUV's...though I do have a soft spot for QVE's with Durofol handguards and milled action covers. Seeing as the BCD's are very early production G43's, it is not unheard of for these to have actually seen service...which also adds significance. It is probable that many were actually carried in the field for a year and a half. I am always dumbfounded when "purists", based on a few photos, can declare and distinguish unequivocally that the cosmetic appearance of such a weapon is not wear and tear from service, but is certainly the result of Bubba post-war. I would be thrilled to have the rifle presented in this thread in my personal collection.